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ljsmith
JWB475 wrote:
I think the Warbird comes with the XG-1150 cassette.  I have them on several of my bikes, they weigh ~395 grams (not including the driver).  

SRAM has lighter options as well like the XG1199 which is 260 grams, but it also cost ~$300 bucks.






The 1150 is a 10-42 and needs an XD driver, the Apex 1 build has a Shimano freehub. The cassette is an 1130 11-42.
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ss29er
Just finished up my rebuild. Pretty happy with how it turned out. 18.1lbs. 20181026_183802.jpg 
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JMosey
ss29er wrote:
Just finished up my rebuild. Pretty happy with how it turned out. 18.1lbs. 20181026_183802.jpg 



Damn... mine is way too heavy!
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ljsmith
I got some tire clearance pics.  First pics are a Specialized Renegade 29 x 1.8 (measure 45mm)  Second set are Schwalbe G-One 27.5 x 2.25 (measure 56mm).  The bike has massive tire clearance, the 2.25 is kind of pushing it, but it does fit.

S-1.jpg  S-2.jpg   
G-2.jpg 
G-1.jpg
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ljsmith
I got some component weights off the Apex 1 if anyone is interested.

SRAM 1130 Cassette 530g
Cass.jpg 
WTB Wheelset 1972g
FW.jpg 
RW.jpg 
Salsa Seatpost 351g.  (60g heavier than the Cane Creek suspension post I replaced it with)
SP.jpg 
Stem 144g
Stem.jpg 
Handlebar 302g
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WTB Volt 297g
Volt.jpg 

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JMosey
ss29er wrote:
Just finished up my rebuild. Pretty happy with how it turned out. 18.1lbs. 20181026_183802.jpg 


I'd like to lighten mine up... I think I'm closer to 20#.  I see you have better components than the stock Apex build.  Any idea where your biggest savings were?  What kind of wheels are those?


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djj8
I got some component weights off the Apex 1 if anyone is interested.

SRAM 1130 Cassette 530g
Cass.jpg 
WTB Wheelset 1972g
FW.jpg 
RW.jpg 
Salsa Seatpost 351g.  (60g heavier than the Cane Creek suspension post I replaced it with)
SP.jpg 
Stem 144g
Stem.jpg 
Handlebar 302g
handlebar.jpg 
WTB Volt 297g
Volt.jpg 

Thanks for posting this! 
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ss29er
JMosey wrote:


I'd like to lighten mine up... I think I'm closer to 20#.  I see you have better components than the stock Apex build.  Any idea where your biggest savings were?  What kind of wheels are those?



I built the wheels with Sram 900 hubs, DT Supercomp spokes and Kinlin TL-23 asym rims. The only components that I reused from the stock build is the headset and the seat post clamp.
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morrisond
Hi - I have a 2017 Warbird Carbon with Campy Potenza HO, i9 AR25 Wheels with Compass 38mm Tires and ENVE Cockpit.  I just love riding this bike.  I don't ride a lot off road but on the Road I just find it so much more versatile than any road bike and not really any slower - on Asphalt you can ignore Cracks and grates in the Road that would have you experiencing serious hurt on a Road bike.

I did my first Bikepacking trip this summer and it was a ball - 400km in three days with almost 50% on Gravel and rail trails.

I live in Ontario so come the fall on go the fenders and about this time of year I put Conti Winter Contact II's on to deal with ice/snow.

Fantastic bike - however as a big guy at 120kg I have to run fairly high pressure (about 60psi with the Compass 38mm tires) or they just get too squishy - so it's great on gravel roads but anything more and it's just not cushy enough.  

I'm interested in the new one for the extra tire clearance - how much is it really?  I may have to wait for the Niner full suspension gravel bike so I can run higher pressures and explore more.  

I also like the fact the new Warbird has ports for generator wiring.

Does anyone have shots of what the fork tips look like where the wire comes out?  Are there ports in the frame for running rear lights?  Any idea if you could adapt the fork to the Son-SL system?

Thanks
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JMosey
PSA, I just got a call from my dealer and it sounds like they’ve had two issues with forks on the Tiagara builds. It sounds like both issues were related to impacts (hopping a curb and a wheelie) and I was advised to not ride my bike. I don’t do many wheelies on the trainer so I’m confident riding there, but will be using my old bike outside, just in case. It sounds like they are working on narrowing down the issue but I thought I’d pass it along.. any questions I’d give your shop a call.
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Rashad F
I tested a 2019 a couple of weeks ago and it was a solid ride, but I liked the Diverge, Revolt Advanced, and Ibis Hakka MX more. There wasn’t anything wrong with it. I just enjoyed riding those other bikes more. The Hakka MX is my favorite gravel bike right now based on those test rides. All of this is subject though.
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morrisond
JMosey wrote:
PSA, I just got a call from my dealer and it sounds like they’ve had two issues with forks on the Tiagara builds. It sounds like both issues were related to impacts (hopping a curb and a wheelie) and I was advised to not ride my bike. I don’t do many wheelies on the trainer so I’m confident riding there, but will be using my old bike outside, just in case. It sounds like they are working on narrowing down the issue but I thought I’d pass it along.. any questions I’d give your shop a call.


The fork issue is on the 2019 Warbirds with the new Generator fork?
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ljsmith
morrisond wrote:


The fork issue is on the 2019 Warbirds with the new Generator fork?


It’s the 2019 Waxwing fork. If you mean the one with internal routing for generator wires then yes.
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ss29er
JMosey wrote:
PSA, I just got a call from my dealer and it sounds like they’ve had two issues with forks on the Tiagara builds. It sounds like both issues were related to impacts (hopping a curb and a wheelie) and I was advised to not ride my bike. I don’t do many wheelies on the trainer so I’m confident riding there, but will be using my old bike outside, just in case. It sounds like they are working on narrowing down the issue but I thought I’d pass it along.. any questions I’d give your shop a call.

Any word on the fork recall?
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JMosey
ss29er wrote:

Any word on the fork recall?


I was told they expect to have it resolved by the first week in December. At this point I’m holding on on bugging my dealer since I’m only riding it on the trainer for the time being (it’s way too pretty to bring outside with all the salt and slush!).
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Jabes76
I just got an update from my LBS and its going to be a while folks. Basically, they havent found a "solution" as soon as they were hoping for, which tells me there IS a problem. Guess Ill just have to stare at my wheelset i had built up for the frame
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ljsmith
I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t sell my Lynskey.

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PCT
Unbuilt my ADD for this?  Sheesh.  Wish they would send us some full-carbon forks so we can ride on.
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djj8
I received the below message from Salsa on this issue after I reached out:

We have identified a potential QC issue with the Waxwing fork on the 2019 Warbird, and have requested that these bikes not be ridden until we are able to investigate this further.  This applies to all 2019 Warbird bikes. I apologize for any inconvenience this causes.  I would be happy to answer any questions you have to the best of my ability but for the most part this is still an issue that is under investigation, so there is not much information I can pass along.  But we are working really hard and hope to have this resolved as soon as possible.

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comfi4
hii
Please let us know if anything new.
I sold the bike while I waited for the Warbird[frown][frown][frown][frown]
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PCT
Considering getting a different fork while Salsa figures out the Waxwing thing.  Sounds like there won't be any resolution (affected batch #'s etc.) until the new year.

* Want to keep the geometry/handling near stock... A-C=405mm, Offset=50mm

* Room for 700x50 or 650x2.1

* Would prefer to get a sturdy fork that I can flog without fear of breaking.

* Post-mount or flat-mount, 12mm or 15mm T/A ok

Ideas/Recommendations?  Have found some that have 50mm offset (Enve G-Series, Luteus, Aera, Bombtrack EXT) but about 10mm less A-C.   Ren GX1?

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Smale Rider
Waxwing fork is unique. New warbird has simply longer than normal a-c...
Other useful forks
https://www.rodeo-labs.com/rodeo-spork-2-0/
https://otsocycles.com/collections/lithic/products/lithic-hiili-fork-in-matte-silver

But again not quite there with either. I’d just sit and wait till waxwing is figured out.
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Jabes76
I got an update from my LBS today and it sounds like progress has been made.
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Volsung
Jabes76 wrote:
I got an update from my LBS today and it sounds like progress has been made.


Care to share with the group?
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Jabes76
They were able to replicate the issue being found in the field (2 forks i heard). They were also able to develop a test to verify that forks do not have the issue and submitted that to the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) and are awaiting approval (government shutdown could be a problem here). In anticipation of approval, they are qualifying all existing forks in inventory as well as producing replacements. So, basically, we are waiting for the federal government now.
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