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JMosey
thepointchris wrote:
I had a 5hour ride on one today, and it is amazing - significant improvement over my 2018. If you're thinking about one, get it NOW. Next year there's a fat duty slapped on!


I was told that many of the dealers are going to have limited availability and that once the initial orders are gone it might take awhile for them to be replaced.  Who knows if it's true, but the person who told me is generally a pretty good source of knowledge when it comes to things like this.  If anyone is interested in one I'd get in touch with your local shop now.  
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DrSpoke
That is the experience I had w/the last generation Warbird.  It was announced in January with expected deliver in May.  That went to June, then July, then August, then September & finally October.  And the first shipment of c. 200 frames were sold out when they arrived.  I'm not sure when the 2nd shipment arrived but think it was Spring of the following year.  Due to other issues - attempting to order from a dealer who turned out to not be a dealer - I bought the then new Ridley X-Trail.  This bike was announced in July so by the time I finally figured out I wouldn't be getting a Warbird the geometry specs were available and I ordered one immediately.  Great bike BTW.  That said, the new Warbird again looks to be a class leader.  I'm considering getting one of the new ones - probably a low end model and replacing the wheels & components with the upgraded parts (wheels, carbon bits & UDi2) from the Ridley but perhaps just a frameset.  Even better, my cycling club just contracted w/the Salsa dealer as a club sponsor.  So hopefully the team discount will apply.    

JMosey wrote:


I was told that many of the dealers are going to have limited availability and that once the initial orders are gone it might take awhile for them to be replaced.  Who knows if it's true, but the person who told me is generally a pretty good source of knowledge when it comes to things like this.  If anyone is interested in one I'd get in touch with your local shop now.  
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JMosey
I just got back from the shop.  I purchased the Apex build and it's definitely not as red as I had thought, although that could be from my monitor as I've only seen it online.  I've included a quick picture below.  I ordered my power meter (Quarq D-Zero), pedals (Egg Beaters), and a chain ring (Wolf Tooth) today and my wheels are already there (650b set of purple anodized Velocity Blunt SS) ... if I'm lucky they will all come in on Thursday or Friday and I can ride this weekend.  I should be able to get some better pictures at that time if anyone is interested.  Just let me know what you'd like to see.  

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djj8
Thanks for the pic.  Just learned my Apex build should be shipped to my LBS by Salsa tomorrow.  Can't wait to pick it up in a few days. 
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Zurichman
Even better, my cycling club just contracted w/the Salsa dealer as a club sponsor.  So hopefully the team discount will apply.    



Dr. Spoke can I join your club for the discount? 😃

Zman
If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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Zurichman
Jmosley and others. I have only had a real quick glimpse at Warbirds @ rides/races. Why are the top Tubes and rear down tubes designed to be that square?

Thanks
Zman
If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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Volsung
JMosey wrote:
I just got back from the shop.  I purchased the Apex build and it's definitely not as red as I had thought, although that could be from my monitor as I've only seen it online.  I've included a quick picture below.  I ordered my power meter (Quarq D-Zero), pedals (Egg Beaters), and a chain ring (Wolf Tooth) today and my wheels are already there (650b set of purple anodized Velocity Blunt SS) ... if I'm lucky they will all come in on Thursday or Friday and I can ride this weekend.  I should be able to get some better pictures at that time if anyone is interested.  Just let me know what you'd like to see.  

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Can you take some pics/measurements of the fork? I might order a fork but I want to find out tire and fender clearance.
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djj8
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Just got word from my LBS that my Warbird is in.  Throw on some pedals and get the fit set and then it's time to hit the gravel.  


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JMosey
Volsung wrote:


Can you take some pics/measurements of the fork? I might order a fork but I want to find out tire and fender clearance.


Here she is in all her glory! I was hesitant on the color until I added the rims... now I’m sold!

I have some calipers at work and will try to grab some fork measurements for you. The bike is designed to accept fenders though so it shouldn’t be a problem, depending on how big they were.

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JMosey
FYI, as of right now no one can figure out how to mount my new Warbird on a traditional wheel on trainer. Apparently they changed the way the dropout is designed. I picked up a Kinetic Thraxle but couldn’t get it to work... took it to my local shop and they couldn’t either. Their Salsa rep had no idea and is trying to track someone down at Salsa... apparently I’m the first person to try it, lol! My wife wasn’t as excited as I was when I mentioned I should probably just upgrade to a direct drive trainer.
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Zurichman
JMosey wrote:
FYI, as of right now no one can figure out how to mount my new Warbird on a traditional wheel on trainer. Apparently they changed the way the dropout is designed. I picked up a Kinetic Thraxle but couldn’t get it to work... took it to my local shop and they couldn’t either. Their Salsa rep had no idea and is trying to track someone down at Salsa... apparently I’m the first person to try it, lol! My wife wasn’t as excited as I was when I mentioned I should probably just upgrade to a direct drive trainer.


Why not just get a set of rollers?

Zman
If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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JMosey
Zurichman wrote:


Why not just get a set of rollers?

Zman


I've considered it... but have fallen off my trainer, so rollers might be a bit of a stretch for someone with my balance!  Most of the smart rollers I've looked at are in the $500 - $600 range.  I think at that price I would just fork up the extra cash and get what I really want... something like the Kickr Core.
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Zurichman
JMosey wrote:


I've considered it... but have fallen off my trainer, so rollers might be a bit of a stretch for someone with my balance!  Most of the smart rollers I've looked at are in the $500 - $600 range.  I think at that price I would just fork up the extra cash and get what I really want... something like the Kickr Core.


Not sure how much I paid for my rollers any more but it wasn't much. As far as balance goes I feel off mine the 1st time I went to use them and hurt my hip. I then smartened up and put them in my basement between a door jam and if I lost my balance could catch myself. After awhile it becomes really easy to control. Not much of an indoor rider but I do love my rollers.


I did go down and check and my set is probably really old its a Minoura Action roller advance. I see over at Probike they have a set of Minoura Liveroll R500 for $259. Hope that helps.


Zman
If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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DrSpoke
Tonight is the annual Club Night.  So I should know more about the details of the sponsorship agreement.  For the last sponsor we had 15% on everything and a team deal w/Scott bikes that was closer to 30%.  I'm expecting a similar deal here and hopefully, it will apply to Salsa.  Regardless, I'm hoping they have a few Warbirds on hand to check out.  Leaving shortly - going for a ride pre-event.

I'm sure Swami's would be happy to take your money 😉    https://swamis.org/



Zurichman wrote:
Even better, my cycling club just contracted w/the Salsa dealer as a club sponsor.  So hopefully the team discount will apply.    



Dr. Spoke can I join your club for the discount? 😃

Zman
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owly
I can't help thinking how some of those PIAAA led lights would go with those wheels [smile]
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JMosey
JMosey wrote:
FYI, as of right now no one can figure out how to mount my new Warbird on a traditional wheel on trainer. Apparently they changed the way the dropout is designed. I picked up a Kinetic Thraxle but couldn’t get it to work... took it to my local shop and they couldn’t either. Their Salsa rep had no idea and is trying to track someone down at Salsa... apparently I’m the first person to try it, lol! My wife wasn’t as excited as I was when I mentioned I should probably just upgrade to a direct drive trainer.


Okay, finally figured it out and thought I’d post here in case anyone ran into the same problem...

https://robertaxleproject.com


New axle should be here Friday and I will verify it works, but I see no reason why it shouldn’t. I’ll try to give some feedback after actually riding the damn thing as well!
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ljsmith
I just picked up my Apex 1 yesterday and proceeded to strip the frame and build it back up, I did not bother to weigh the frame.  It is a size 56.  Stock weight, with my pedals, was 21.8 pounds.  After replacing everything I am at 17.6 pounds.  Stock it is a tank, and judging by feel most of that comes from the wheels and tires which feel very heavy.  I am running 35c tires (this is my "fast" gravel bike), I included clearance pics, but they may not be much use to those wanting to run massive tires.  But there is a ton of clearance.


As I picked it up:
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After rebuild:
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Front clearance
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Rear Clearance
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Zurichman
ljsmith wrote:
I just picked up my Apex 1 yesterday and proceeded to strip the frame and build it back up, I did not bother to weigh the frame.  It is a size 56.  Stock weight, with my pedals, was 21.8 pounds.  After replacing everything I am at 17.6 pounds.  Stock it is a tank, and judging by feel most of that comes from the wheels and tires which feel very heavy.  I am running 35c tires (this is my "fast" gravel bike), I included clearance pics, but they may not be much use to those wanting to run massive tires.  But there is a ton of clearance.


As I picked it up:

Wow dropping 4 lbs is incredible. Jom over at Gravel cyclist had to use all ti bolts to get that kind of results on a Raleigh Roker Sport. What Sram drive train/crank did you use?

Zman
Salsa 1.jpg  

After rebuild:
Salsa 2.jpg 

Front clearance
Salsa 3.jpg 

Rear Clearance
Salsa 4.jpg 

If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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JMosey
Is that a Red Shift Shock stem? If so, I’m even more impressed. I haven’t weighed mine but I have to believe it weighs more than a standard stem. Same for the seat post. I’d definitely be interested in hearing what you swapped out as next year I’ll be making some upgrades.
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ljsmith
It’s SRAM force with a 38t, rear 140 rotor. 3T bailout cassette that was 225g. Hutchinson Overide 35c tires, only 360g each. Shockstop 90mm stem was 267g, but somewhat negated by a 180g Easton E100 bar. Crane Creek eesilk seatpost was 292g, I may trim some of the unneeded post to save more weight. Mavic wheels are 1600g.
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JMosey
ljsmith wrote:
It’s SRAM force with a 38t, rear 140 rotor. 3T bailout cassette that was 225g. Hutchinson Overide 35c tires, only 360g each. Shockstop 90mm stem was 267g, but somewhat negated by a 180g Easton E100 bar. Crane Creek eesilk seatpost was 292g, I may trim some of the unneeded post to save more weight. Mavic wheels are 1600g.


Damn! I had no idea you could drop that much weight with a cassette. I’ll have to look into that.
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ljsmith
JMosey wrote:


Damn! I had no idea you could drop that much weight with a cassette. I’ll have to look into that.


They’re not cheap. I got mine at Excel Sports using their TAKE10 code to get 10% off. Was around $242. You also need an XD driver.
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Zurichman
ljsmith wrote:


They’re not cheap. I got mine at Excel Sports using their TAKE10 code to get 10% off. Was around $242. You also need an XD driver.


Curious as to how much lighter it is than the stock cassette figuring in the xd driver also?

Zman 
If it was easy it wouldn't be a memory. You just hope you don't have all your memories in the same ride. been there dun that Zman
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ljsmith
Zurichman wrote:


Curious as to how much lighter it is than the stock cassette figuring in the xd driver also?

Zman 


SRAM lists the cassette at 538g. I doubt the xd driver is any more than 5-10g lighter than a Shimano freehub.
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JWB475
I think the Warbird comes with the XG-1150 cassette.  I have them on several of my bikes, they weigh ~395 grams (not including the driver).  

SRAM has lighter options as well like the XG1199 which is 260 grams, but it also cost ~$300 bucks.




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