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Hey guys wanting some advice from some of you who have had first hand experience with either of these rims. The spec is very similar. I can do do a 24 hole rear wheel with the Forza. Hydra has got me smitten with its looks though. I have also heard rumors of tubeless tires blowing off the Hydra. I guess I don't have a huge opinion either way. If I know I can trust the Hydra I might roll with them. But then I hear that pacenti's set up tubeless so easy that they're almost worth having just for that reason. Have spoke with Oleritter about building me up some one of these. I am just kinda skittish when I hear something a bit bad but I know there is all kinds of stuff posted on the net... What do some of you have to say good or bad about either of these rims?
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Pacenti Forza is the better rim. 2.5mm offset drilling make them geometrically superior, equalizes spoke tension a bit. Not that a great set can't be had with the Hydra, I have built many of both. The marginal gain goes to Forza.  
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Any thoughts from wheel builders if the Forza offset rim is really necessary (especially if I have mini-moto rim brakes)?
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Love Mini-Motos! There is a center drilled option of the Forza for rim brakes.   
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Any thoughts from wheel builders if the Forza offset rim is really necessary (especially if I have mini-moto rim brakes)?


Yes, the front is center, and the rear is offset, the rim brake model of the Forza --  FORZA-3.gif 


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Hey guys wanting some advice from some of you who have had first hand experience with either of these rims. The spec is very similar. I can do do a 24 hole rear wheel with the Forza. Hydra has got me smitten with its looks though. I have also heard rumors of tubeless tires blowing off the Hydra. I guess I don't have a huge opinion either way. If I know I can trust the Hydra I might roll with them. But then I hear that pacenti's set up tubeless so easy that they're almost worth having just for that reason. Have spoke with Oleritter about building me up some one of these. I am just kinda skittish when I hear something a bit bad but I know there is all kinds of stuff posted on the net... What do some of you have to say good or bad about either of these rims?


I heard this rumor.  I tried to follow up with people and find out more to no avail.  

Just one person's experience, but I can tell you my Hydra rims are working great tubeless with Gravel King SK 32c tires.  I am running 40 to 50 psi.  I've had them set up since March.  I'm chalking the rumor up to user error at this point.

The Pacenti rims are good, too, of course.  


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Pacenti still using "only" AL6061?
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Take a 6061 rim for a Pepsi challenge against a G609 or WT69 rim and nobody is going pick up the nuance between them. Especially not anywhere close to the typical 20% claims of lighter and stiffer by companies using designer alloys. And especially not on gravel.
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I decided to go with the Pacent rims, sapim cx ray spokes, and powerway hubs. Very excited to get rid of my heavy stock rims and get on these things. Oleritter is building them for me. I'll let you guys know what I think after I have received and ridden them for a while.
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I just built a set of Hydra's with Hope RS4 hubs and Sapim double butted spokes/brass nipples 32 hole front and back. I am usually between 180-195lbs depending on the season. This set replaced a stock wheelset on a Raleigh Roker. The wheelset looks flat out amazing, I agree the Hydra looks HOT. I expected this build to totally revolutionize the bike and It didn't. Mostly I was expecting the wheelset to feel more energetic, more "poppy" and it doesn't. The wheels ride great and function perfectly, but lack a feeling of "life". I don't know the Pacenti Forza, but I've built a couple sets of the SL23. The SL23 and Hydra builds are same spoke count, both double butted/brass, but the SL23 are on King hubs. I think the Pacenti rims have a bit more "life" to them, feel a bit more energetic, poppy, springy. I'm toying with the idea of rebuilding the stock hubs onto a set of Hydras BUT use CX Ray spokes as I think that is the big difference in how with wheel feels. My favorite road wheelset is built with CX Ray spokes and those wheels are full of life. Lastly, I need to find a wheelset from another bike that rides full of life and try that on the Roker, I have a feeling the Roker is just a super damp frame, especially in the rear - I think the frame might be a little dead in the back triangle - great for gravel, but not a ton of brap brap.

I've been running my Hydra's tubeless with Maxxis Ramblers for 6 months and NO PROBLEMS. The Ramblers mounted up scary easy, but they have been flawless. Nothing blowing off, no burping, they hold air super well, sealed up easy. On pure gravel rides I've ridden them in the mid 30s and on pure road rides I've ridden them at 60psi - no troubles.
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Well I've been on new wheels for a 3-4 weeks now. They are Pacenti Forza rims, 24 hole front and back, Sapim cx ray spokes front and Sapim sprint rear, Sapim nipples and Powerway hubs. Tip the scales at just under 1600 grams. Really helped liven up my stock Specialized Sequoia as the stock wheelset came in around 2300 grams. Acceleration, climbing and just riding along feel lively now even on a steel framed bike that weighs 25 pounds. Tubeless setup was very easy with maxxis ramblers. In fact the tires only dropped a couple psi over the first night with no sealant in them. Now with sealant I don't think they lose any more then 5 psi per week. If I have one minor thing with the wheels it is that they are not super stiff. Now they are not bad and for their weight and price I think they are fantastic wheels but coming from super heavy wheels built like an army tank I did notice it a bit. Oleritter built them up for me and did a fantastic job with the build and also with providing me with lots of options beforehand. I would recommend Oleritter for a wheel build and I am definitely enjoying my new gravel wheels!
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Cool, Mike!  Thanks for the plug.

2300 to 1600 grams.  That is a pound and a half.  Whoah.

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