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Dlessard75

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Anyone try the new tubeless G-Ones or X-Ones by Schwalbe tires (official)? I haven't seen any reviews on the G-Ones yet and was wondering about their reliability/puncture resistance in gravel (perhaps Dirty Kanza style flint roads as well). I have had a great experience with their first generation road tubeless Ones...9,000KM without a single flat...one gravel race on them too
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I put on a pair of the S-One @ 30c on my Ridley.  I've got a few rides so far on mixed road/trail - about 250 mi or so.  And they're great.  They went on my DT Swiss XR1501 wheels by hand and seated using a floor pump.  Even more amazing they held air w/o sealant for a few days and I even did the first ride with them that way.  I have since added some Orange Sealant.  Anyway, they're keepers.  I plan to use the G-One on my heavier duty wheelset, probably the 35 as a 40 is a tight fit in back unless they run small.  And will probably use the WTB Nano 40c TCS in front.
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Yeah I'll be lacing a pair of S-Ones to my new rig (building up an Open U.P.) for training (most of my miles are done on wide open pavement...not the best is some cases). My experience with Schwalbes Pro Ones has me hesitant to switch brands for now they were that good. I'd love to see a review of the G-Ones eventually and to get a better idea of what type of terrain they are best suited for.

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The S-One doesn't have very big knobs on it and it looks like the G-One doesn't have much more.  So I'd say more gravel road & not to technical dirt type stuff.  I slipped and went down on Saturday on an off camber slight uphill as I went to apply some power.  I think the WTB Nano may have a bit more traction if needed.  It's got me thinking of trying the X-One even if they are a little smaller than preferred for dirt and maybe not so good on the road.  The S-One is a little big for the road I think but still do quite well.  They certainly are comfortable and roll over everything yet still able to handle dirt.  And have great traction on the paved descents.  I think they might become my main tire on the Ridley.  I had planned on the G-One for that w/the S-Ones a bit more specialized.  And, of course, a pure road set too.

I split a sidewall on the rear Hutchinson (tubeless) on my road bike yesterday and will be converting that to Pro-One right about now - at least the rear to start - in 25c.

I run Nobby Nics on my mtn bike and they are a great tires.  You may have guessed I really like Schwalbes.  I think their new road line may be a game changer.  That is, road tubeless is likely to be more accepted and perhaps Continental and Michelin may start to compete.  Regardless, I'll be running almost all Schwalbe very soon from Pro-One, S-One, G-One and the Nobby Nics.  And will have the WTB Nanos too.

That U.P. looks like a great bike.  You are going to have a LOT of fun on that one.  What bike are you putting the G-Ones on?  If the U.P. is a training bike I assume you have something a little racier.

I've got a Niner RLT Steel on the way - the IMBA version I won on eBay a few weeks ago.  Can't wait.  It comes OEM w/G-Ones in 35 so will get to try them soon.  I think I'm going to move the G-Ones over to the Ridley though and put the WTB Nanos on the Niner.

Do you think the Pro-Ones will hold up on dirt?  I'm running the Belgian Waffle Ride in April - 100 mi road and 40 mi dirt.  And there are some short sections of pretty rocky singletrack added this year.  I've been planning to use the S-One but was thinking the Pro-One might be a possibility.  I'm sure it'll be much better on the road as long as they are likely to hold up on the trails.  I'd probably get them in 28c though many on that ride use 25s.  It may depend on how soft or wet it looks like in April.

Here is the ride from last year, which I did though not w/anyone shown in the clips [smile]



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Could anyone tell me how wide the 35c G-One's measure up at?
I was thinking that they may be good for my Diverge but the clearance isn't great so wold like to know before I buy a couple.
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I just mounted a pair of G-1 38's on Reynolds ATR rims.  

The front tire mounted really easily with no levers required.  I was actually worried that it was too easy. But with sealant added, it holds air just fine.

The rear tire was really difficult to install and required the use of a lever. I don't know how i'm going to get it off without a lever.  It also holds air fine.  I don't like the way it rolls though, it has a slight wobble and there is some frame rub at the seat stay when I stand up to climb.  I'm actually going to order another tire just to see if this one is maybe out of shape/true?  Don't know what the proper term is.

Anyway, I have ridden them on two rides of mixed roads.  Asphalt, gravel, packed mud, rock.  30 miles first ride and 54 the second.  So not really enough to tell but here are some first impressions.

First off they are heavy tires.  My Norco search weighed 17.6 lbs with Hutchinson 28's.  18.1 lb with Maxxis Mudwrestler and now 18.9 with the G-1's. They seem to roll fine but are slow to accelerate. Climbing up one of our fire roads (Sullivan Fire Road for you SoCal/LA county locals), was straight forward.  They offer plenty of traction and smooth out rutted sections nicely.  On easy single track everything was predictable.  I don't think I would do technical single track though.

So far I'm pretty happy, but I do need to sort out the rear tire issue.

I would not use these for BWR. I'm reg'd for it again this year (my 3rd time) and I'm sticking to the tried and true (for me) Hutchinson sector 28's.  That said, I reckon training with the G-1's will be like weight training!  When I switch to the 28's I should be strong like tractor!

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That surely seems odd re mounting the front vs the rear.  I would think they would go on pretty similarly.  Based on the additional information it may be that you got a bad tire.

The weight differential sure seems high.  That's about 600g total or 300g per tire.  And that's on a tire that is supposed to weigh about 460g total.

Thanks for the input on the BWR.  Last year was my first try - I was on a cx bike w/cantilever brakes, too high of a gearing (Double Peak) and, in hindsight, tires too large.  I used a heavy 35mm cx tire, mostly worn in the middle, as I was willing to give up a little road speed for riding in the dirt.  This year, it will be much different as I now have a Ridley X-Trail w/disc brakes.  I also have a couple of options for gearing.  I had planned to use the S-One for the ride but, after a few rides on them, I'm thinking of going down to a 28.  I do think the S-Ones will be good for training and general use though.  I'm thinking/planning to use the Pro-Ones in size 28 assuming they might be durable enough.

That's a great weight on the Norco.  I can only hope to get close to that after I make a few upgrades.
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I've got a Niner RLT Steel on the way - the IMBA version I won on eBay a few weeks ago.  Can't wait.  It comes OEM w/G-Ones in 35 so will get to try them soon.  I think I'm going to move the G-Ones over to the Ridley though and put the WTB Nanos on the Niner.


Dr. Spoke, Congrats on the Niner RLT Steel IMBA! I "won" one of the 59 cm ones! I'm waiting for that email from Niner that it's ready and I'm going to drive up from Boulder to pick it up. Super excited! Funny, I'm actually coming from a Ridley X-Ride I just sold.

I just got a pair of WTB Nano 40 Race's to mount on it. I'm going to pull the G-One's. I'm sure its an awesome tire, I just can't resist 40 mm rubber. If it came with the 38 G-One's I'd probably run them.

I hear the Nano Race will mount up tubeless on the Grails without much problem - just make sure you don't get the TCS version.

Enjoy that sweet new ride!
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I just mounted a pair of G-1 38's on Reynolds ATR rims.  

The front tire mounted really easily with no levers required.  I was actually worried that it was too easy. But with sealant added, it holds air just fine.

The rear tire was really difficult to install and required the use of a lever. I don't know how i'm going to get it off without a lever.  It also holds air fine.  I don't like the way it rolls though, it has a slight wobble and there is some frame rub at the seat stay when I stand up to climb.  I'm actually going to order another tire just to see if this one is maybe out of shape/true?  Don't know what the proper term is.

Anyway, I have ridden them on two rides of mixed roads.  Asphalt, gravel, packed mud, rock.  30 miles first ride and 54 the second.  So not really enough to tell but here are some first impressions.

First off they are heavy tires.  My Norco search weighed 17.6 lbs with Hutchinson 28's.  18.1 lb with Maxxis Mudwrestler and now 18.9 with the G-1's. They seem to roll fine but are slow to accelerate. Climbing up one of our fire roads (Sullivan Fire Road for you SoCal/LA county locals), was straight forward.  They offer plenty of traction and smooth out rutted sections nicely.  On easy single track everything was predictable.  I don't think I would do technical single track though.

So far I'm pretty happy, but I do need to sort out the rear tire issue.

I would not use these for BWR. I'm reg'd for it again this year (my 3rd time) and I'm sticking to the tried and true (for me) Hutchinson sector 28's.  That said, I reckon training with the G-1's will be like weight training!  When I switch to the 28's I should be strong like tractor!

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I am thinking about buying this Schwalbe 38c tire but I can't find anywhere the real width of 38c version. Is it 38 mm or more like 40 mm? Can You measure it and tell us how wide they really are?

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These tyres measure in at 39mm on Reynolds ATR rims.  
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I've got a Niner RLT Steel on the way - the IMBA version I won on eBay a few weeks ago.  Can't wait.  It comes OEM w/G-Ones in 35 so will get to try them soon.  I think I'm going to move the G-Ones over to the Ridley though and put the WTB Nanos on the Niner.


Dr. Spoke, Congrats on the Niner RLT Steel IMBA! I "won" one of the 59 cm ones! I'm waiting for that email from Niner that it's ready and I'm going to drive up from Boulder to pick it up. Super excited! Funny, I'm actually coming from a Ridley X-Ride I just sold.

I just got a pair of WTB Nano 40 Race's to mount on it. I'm going to pull the G-One's. I'm sure its an awesome tire, I just can't resist 40 mm rubber. If it came with the 38 G-One's I'd probably run them.

I hear the Nano Race will mount up tubeless on the Grails without much problem - just make sure you don't get the TCS version.

Enjoy that sweet new ride!


That's pretty cool that you're getting an IMBA RLT too - we're 2 of 10.  I was sort of hoping I'd run into another buyer at this forum.  I had only recently purchased the Ridley when I heard about the Niner on eBay.  And, of course, didn't really need another gravel bike.  So I bid sort of hoping, and really expecting, not to win the auction.  But I did - and at the lowest price of the 10 [smile]  Regardless, I'm really looking forward to having it arrive.  I think it has a slightly different purpose - at least that's what I tell myself to justify the purchase.  That and the fact the purchase price goes to a good cause.

My Ridley was advertised as fitting 40c tires but the Nano was very tight in the rear - so tight I don't want to ride it.  So the Niner should be able to run big rubber and all the bikepacking gear is a bonus.  Before the Ridley, I was hoping to get a Salsa Warbird w/Rival 22.  So the Niner will also be an opportunity to try SRAM - and it will be my 1st 1x bike too.

So, like you I can't wait.  And I don't think it will be much longer.  I called Niner last Tuesday and they said they were waiting on the frames from paint but had all the build kits in stock and were starting to build the wheels.  He thought that they might be finished this week.  I'm hoping for delivery later this week but next week is probably a bit more realistic.  If so, it will be a refreshing change from all the bs I went through w/Salsa.  They announced the Warbird in Feb with expected delivery in May.  Then June, then August, then October with a different excuse every time.  Then the first delivery was sold out but no one informed me.  And now they have no clue when the 2nd batch is due to arrive.  So one shipment in the 11 months since they introduced the bike.  Not good.

That said, I think the Ridley is a much better bike.  I don't like the color as much but that's about it.  I just got it dialed in and have been riding it hard.  So it will be the racier style bike and used for light to medium trail and endurance road.  And the Niner for the more serious off-road stuff.  But that may change.  And it will be nice to have a backup bike or something for a friend to try.

Thanks for the info on the Nano.  Unfortunately I've got 3 of the TCS version.  And I had a little trouble getting them to hold air on a couple of different rims.  That is why I have 3 as the eBay seller I got the first 2 from warrantied one of them.  But now I don't think it was really a bad tire.  Probably some sort of rim incompatibility.  Anyway, I'm going to put them back on the DT Swiss wheels for the Niner and if issues will try them on the Stans rims.

By the way, I've been really happy with the S-One which is sort of a miniature version of the G-One.  Enough so that I may try the G-One in 38 on that back of the Ridley - especially with the width info Hitchhiker provided.  That said, now that the Niner is coming I'll probably stick w/smaller rubber on the Ridley and bigger rubber on the Niner.

Let me know how that Niner runs as I'm sure you'll be getting yours first.  And with a little luck maybe later this week.




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I just ordered G-One in 38/40 and S-One in 30. Currently riding my Norco Search on single-tracks and fire roads with stock Clement X'Plor USH and planning on taking BWR with S-One and then DK200 on G-One. Looked at WTB Nano 40C at the local store, they look too MTB to me [biggrin]

Hitchhicker, did you look into S-One 30 vs Hutchinson Sector 28?

DrSpoke, which 28s are you looking at for BWR?

All BWR comments and tips say - wider is better, but maybe wider is relative, meaning a choice between 23, 25 and 28 [confused]
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We've been riding the BWR route a lot lately.  The S-One has been great so far on both road and trail.  And they seem to be holding up well, see below, including in some pretty harsh conditions.  They would be very suitable for the BWR.  That said I'm going to try the Pro-One in 28c and see how it does.  My guess is that it will be fine especially for a one day tire and then use the S-One for training.

Some of my riding friends are totally new to dirt and have been using their road bikes w/25s and 28s.  But I'm recommending they get up into the 27 or 28 range if possible.  It's starting to get soft out there in spots, and will get worse, and the bigger tires should handle that much better.  That said, I think the sweet spot will be 28 to 30 if they fit.

An additional note - the Schwalbes seem to have some very soft rubber.  The Pro-One in 23c I put on my road bike picked up a big chunk of glass on one of the first rides - but didn't go flat.  And the other day I noticed big gouge on the S-One.  But it didn't go flat either though it may be compromised.   Then yesterday I pulled out a big piece of wire from it I must have got on Saturday's ride and it didn't go flat with that either.  So the tread seems to be picking up a lot of stuff but it's not getting to deep.  Regardless, I'm ordering a replacement (the Pro-One 28) just in case.  I looked on eBay today for an S-One and there were none.  So they seem to be sold out - just like the Pro-One in 25c.



Kukido - could you measure the width of the G-One?  I'm curious as to whether they might measure out a bit small - closer to 38 than 40.  The Nano 40c is too big in the rear for the Ridley and hoping the G-One may fit.
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I've got a Niner RLT Steel on the way - the IMBA version I won on eBay a few weeks ago.  Can't wait.  It comes OEM w/G-Ones in 35 so will get to try them soon.  I think I'm going to move the G-Ones over to the Ridley though and put the WTB Nanos on the Niner.


Dr. Spoke, Congrats on the Niner RLT Steel IMBA! I "won" one of the 59 cm ones! I'm waiting for that email from Niner that it's ready and I'm going to drive up from Boulder to pick it up. Super excited! Funny, I'm actually coming from a Ridley X-Ride I just sold.

I just got a pair of WTB Nano 40 Race's to mount on it. I'm going to pull the G-One's. I'm sure its an awesome tire, I just can't resist 40 mm rubber. If it came with the 38 G-One's I'd probably run them.

I hear the Nano Race will mount up tubeless on the Grails without much problem - just make sure you don't get the TCS version.

Enjoy that sweet new ride!


Woohoo - the Niner shipped today [smile]
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DrSpoke,

My G-One just being shipped, waiting for them to be delivered. Schwalbe says they are 700x38c, and I think it depends on how wide is the rim you are mounting them on. With S-One I was lucky to grab a set when they became available on bike24.

One more question on BWR, would you recommend to ride road shoes (spd-sl) or mtb shoes(spd)?

Cheers,
Andrey
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DrSpoke,

My G-One just being shipped, waiting for them to be delivered. Schwalbe says they are 700x38c, and I think it depends on how wide is the rim you are mounting them on. With S-One I was lucky to grab a set when they became available on bike24.

One more question on BWR, would you recommend to ride road shoes (spd-sl) or mtb shoes(spd)?

Cheers,
Andrey


It would be great if the G-One is close to 38 as it may fit the back of the Ridley.  The Nano 40c was just a bit too tight.  But that may be moot when the Niner comes in - which is today [smile]

Yeah the S-One are gone from eBay which is just shortly after the Pro-One in 25c were gone.  I hope they're working overtime wherever they're being made.

I use mtn shoes and SPDs on my gravel bike.  There are/may be a couple of short sections on dirt where you may require a hike-a-bike.  I would expect it will be dry enough that there won't be any mud.

I put on an 11-36 for Saturday's ride and it worked great.  It was nice having one more gear at times.  And even though Double Peak is paved it does come at mile 135 or so.

I've got a team of 16 put together - 8 Waffle & 8 Wafer.  We've been training every Saturday if you might want to join us.  Most of the training is on the Waffle course.

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/973191539
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I just ordered G-One in 38/40 and S-One in 30. Currently riding my Norco Search on single-tracks and fire roads with stock Clement X'Plor USH and planning on taking BWR with S-One and then DK200 on G-One. Looked at WTB Nano 40C at the local store, they look too MTB to me [biggrin]

Hitchhicker, did you look into S-One 30 vs Hutchinson Sector 28?

DrSpoke, which 28s are you looking at for BWR?

All BWR comments and tips say - wider is better, but maybe wider is relative, meaning a choice between 23, 25 and 28 [confused]


Kukido,

I've used the Sector 28's for the last two BWR's, In fact I use them on my BH ultralight all the time! Centuries, gran fondos, general training etc. I have only looked at the S-one's on line.  For me, I am staying tried and true to me,  Remember that BWR is at least 100 miles of road, I think ultimately lightweight and slick is the way to go.  
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I just ordered G-One in 38/40 and S-One in 30. Currently riding my Norco Search on single-tracks and fire roads with stock Clement X'Plor USH and planning on taking BWR with S-One and then DK200 on G-One. Looked at WTB Nano 40C at the local store, they look too MTB to me [biggrin]

Hitchhicker, did you look into S-One 30 vs Hutchinson Sector 28?

DrSpoke, which 28s are you looking at for BWR?

All BWR comments and tips say - wider is better, but maybe wider is relative, meaning a choice between 23, 25 and 28 [confused]


Kukido,

I've used the Sector 28's for the last two BWR's, In fact I use them on my BH ultralight all the time! Centuries, gran fondos, general training etc. I have only looked at the S-one's on line.  For me, I am staying tried and true to me,  Remember that BWR is at least 100 miles of road, I think ultimately lightweight and slick is the way to go.  



The Pro-One is a road tire and is slick and very lightweight - so similar to the Sector.  I'm not sure if they are as durable as the Sector or durable enough but I will have time to test them.  The Pro-One goes on so much easier that the Hutchinson - at least on my Eurus wheels.  That is, they went on by hand where as the Fusions were lever only (tubeless).  When I had a sidewall cut out on the road it took 6 hands to get them on the rim (w/a tube) and that was just barely.  And they inflate/seat w/a floor pump.  The S-One went on the same way.  So I'm a convert.
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Interesting about your troubles with the fusion.  I have been able to hand install the Sector 28's on both my Shimano C24 rims and the Reynolds ATR.  I have never ben able to seat any tubeless tyre with a floor pump even with sealant in.  Always have to use a Co2.  Really ought to get a compressor!

DrSpoke, for your BWR training rides are you doing the whole route or sections of?

Are you training on the 28's or something wider?

This Sunday I've put together a local ride for mixed road riding meeting at San Vicente and 26th in Santa Monca at 0800.  Open to anyone interested.

https://www.strava.com/activities/482267795
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Part (most) of the trouble w/the Fusions are the Campagnolo Eurus rims.  From what I understand, they are notoriously difficult to set up tubeless.  Fortunately I've not had a flat ever on one up until a few weeks ago.  And that was my fault as I hit some rocks that took out a sidewall.  Plus, the Fusions are 23c and are UST tires and not just "tubeless ready."

I've had both the S-One and the Pro-One 23c install by hand and seat with a floor pump.  The S-One was first on a set of DT Swiss XR 1501s and a pleasant surprise.  I didn't really expect the 23s to be the same as they were going on the Eurus rims.  But they went on the same way - by hand and seated w/a floor pump.  I was impressed.  And they are much lighter than the earlier Schwalbe One tubeless as well as the Hutchinsons.

So far we've been running parts of the route and I suspect that will continue.  We may attempt a full ride but probably not.  If so, we'll need more daylight [smile]  So far, I'm trying to get a lot of road riders that are new to dirt and accustomed to off-road riding.  So the pace has been a little slow but coming together nicely.  Plus, on some of the early rides, we got into a lot of mud.

Your Strava route looks like great training.

This is our ride from Saturday - the middle portion of the Waffle course.  But mostly road.
https://www.strava.com/activities/492930481

We've got a big ride planned for this Saturday including the beginning and ending parts of the course - 90 mi, 8,000' - should be interesting.

There is a new version (v8) of the course out with only minor changes:
http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/973191539

So far, I've been training on the Schwalbe S-One in 30c.  And they have been great.  As of now, they're sold out on eBay so I bought a Pro-One in 28c for when I either wear out or destroy one of the S-Ones.  I got a bit of a gash in one of them so it could be sooner rather than later.  I definitely plan on testing them before the BWR and, if they hold up, will likely use them on the day of the ride.  but I expect the S-One to be more durable and they actually roll pretty good on the road.  Just a bit heavier.
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This Sunday I've put together a local ride for mixed road riding meeting at San Vicente and 26th in Santa Monca at 0800.  Open to anyone interested.

https://www.strava.com/activities/482267795

Just joined today. Would love to join you but still waiting delivery of my bike.

Signed up for my 1st Waffle but may have to settle for a Waffer.
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If you plan to just do the Wafer distance then I'd check to see if you can change your registration.  I don't think you will get credit for finishing the Wafer if you sign up for the Waffle.  Plus it's a different route this year and not just the 1st lap of the Waffle.
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Date change for this to Sat 27th Feb.

Saturday 27th I've put together a local ride for mixed road riding meeting at San Vicente and 26th in Santa Monca at 0800.  Open to anyone interested.

https://www.strava.com/activities/482267795

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DrSpoke, thank you for the invitation! I'm from San Francisco Bay Area and that's where my training playground is. So envy of you training on the course. What I was trying to do is to find similar segments around here, thankfully the last year races are available [thumb]

Will try S-One for training starting next week.
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