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bobknh

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I've been using Vittoria latex tubes on my road bike with high end racing clinchers like the Conti GP 4000 IIs. I can run them at about 20 PSI lower pressure than with butyl tubes. I'm not a tire engineer, but I can say, I notice the difference in comfort, speed, and cornering vs. higher pressure with butyl- especially on rough surfaces like crappy chip seal. When I started serious gravel riding last year, and moved up to wider tires - 38mm GK's, 40mm Ramblers, I went tubeless. After overcoming my initial concerns, I found that mounting tubeless with good tubeless gravel tires, rims, tape, and sealant is no big deal. I think that for the ideal set up I've just described, tubeless is the way to go. Last Dec. I decided to try the Compass 35 mm Bon Jon's. The Bon Jon's are a light weight tire with very supple side walls, especially in the ultralight version I purchased. While the Bon Jon's are rated "tubeless compatible", I learned from another post on this forum, that there may be long term issues with these tires holding inflation -- even with large doses of Orange Seal. I suspect that the problem is the supple, ultralight tire casing. Rather than take a chance, I decided instead, to mount my Bon Jon's with Challenge Latex 29-38 tubes. I've been running my Bon Jon's at 30-40 PSI for several months on mixed pavement and very wet and muddy dirt and gravel roads here in rural NH. So far, both the tires and tubes have performed excellently. After over 1,000 miles, and many pot holes, no pinch flats. My conclusion: for the type of every day mixed surface riding I do, the Challenge latex perform just as well as tubeless setups I have used. 
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I use the Compass Jon Bon Pass tyres on Stans Grail Rims. I run them tubeless and have had no problems whatsoever. Except when initially mounting them I got a little enthusiastic with the track pump when making sure they were seated properly. I'm still cleaning the sealant from all around the garage and was half deaf for a couple of days. Lesson learnt.
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I have been running the Compass Snoqualmie pass standard casing tires tubeless. Set up tubeless quite easy. Like them quite well. Due to some circumstances I had to take them off my rims quite a number of times and I think the bead has stretched a bit. What I love about them is flotation and extremely lightweight. They feel almost like a road tire on pavement but then on the sand and rock you get the comfort of a 44c tire. Definitely not heavy duty but for me in central Kansas they suit fine. Now in Flint Hills or the like you may want a tougher sidewall. 
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I use the Compass Jon Bon Pass tyres on Stans Grail Rims. I run them tubeless and have had no problems whatsoever. Except when initially mounting them I got a little enthusiastic with the track pump when making sure they were seated properly. I'm still cleaning the sealant from all around the garage and was half deaf for a couple of days. Lesson learnt.

Thanks for the positive info. on tubeless set up for the Bon Jon's. I'm not disparaging setting the BJ's up tubeless. In fact, that was my original plan when I purchased mine. Can you tell me however, did you buy the standard casing, or the ultralight version? The problems discussed by another poster, related to the ultralight casing version of the tire. Perhaps, it is the ultralight version, that is causing problems with tubeless set up? In any case, regardless of Bon Jon tubeless compatibility, the Challenge Latex tubes, based on my experience, are a reasonable alternative for anyone looking for an alternative to tubeless. 
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I have been running the Compass Snoqualmie pass standard casing tires tubeless. Set up tubeless quite easy. Like them quite well. Due to some circumstances I had to take them off my rims quite a number of times and I think the bead has stretched a bit. What I love about them is flotation and extremely lightweight. They feel almost like a road tire on pavement but then on the sand and rock you get the comfort of a 44c tire. Definitely not heavy duty but for me in central Kansas they suit fine. Now in Flint Hills or the like you may want a tougher sidewall. 

Thanks for the info. In retrospect, perhaps I should have purchased the the standard casing Bon Jon's, instead of the ultra light version. But, at least the 28-35mm latex tubes are working well for me in my 35mm Bon Jon's.
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Thanks for the positive info. on tubeless set up for the Bon Jon's. I'm not disparaging setting the BJ's up tubeless. In fact, that was my original plan when I purchased mine. Can you tell me however, did you buy the standard casing, or the ultralight version? The problems discussed by another poster, related to the ultralight casing version of the tire. Perhaps, it is the ultralight version, that is causing problems with tubeless set up? In any case, regardless of Bon Jon tubeless compatibility, the Challenge Latex tubes, based on my experience, are a reasonable alternative for anyone looking for an alternative to tubeless. 


I have the Ultralight Casing. I quite agree with you on the benefits of latex tubes. I started using them on my road bike and the difference was like night and day.
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I have the Ultralight Casing. I quite agree with you on the benefits of latex tubes. I started using them on my road bike and the difference was like night and day.

Thanks for the follow up. Your experience suggests that the earlier discussion thread a few months ago about Bon Jon tubeless problems wasn't caused by the the ultra light casing; but perhaps some other problem - rim incompatibility, malfunction of the valve, something wrong with the sealing tape, etc ... Or, perhaps a tire defect. While I'm not going to replace my Challenge latex tubes just yet - if it ain't broke, don't fix it - nice to know a Bon Jon ultra light tubeless set up with tubeless rims works well.
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