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cjdaking

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I'm doing my final long rides with my race day setup and hope to tap into the wisdom of those who have raced Kanza before. So far, I'm planning on the following setup:
  • 2 bottles in cages in the frame
  • 2 Revelate Mountain Feedbags; 1 for a 3rd bottle, 1 for food
  • 1 Revelate tangle bag (under top tube frame bag) with more food, spare tire, tube, CO2s, drink mix, backup battery for GPS, backup light, sealant, vest and arm warmers.
  • Under the saddle bag with tube, tools, patches.
Would another "bento box" style bag on the top tube be overkill? What setups have you used?
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nbwsandyutah

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What are you planning (if anything) in terms of having crew support, or using the provided stuff at the race feed zones?    And what type of pace are you aiming for?

The setup you have laid out should be way more than enough to get you from aid station to aid station.  With the exception fluid re-fills, it almost sounds like enough to get you through the entire day without re-stocking.

I would say you should think that through, with an eye toward making your first priority being able to get from checkpoint to checkpoint.

If there is any weakness in your lineup, it might be fluid carrying capacity.  Are you planning on wearing a hydration pack?  If not, then you look to be planning on having 3 normal cycling bottles.  That could easily do the job, especially if you take a few extra seconds at each aid station to down fluids there as well.  But, if it is really hot (like last year) and you are a more moderate to slow pace, you could easily find it a stretch to go from check to check on just three bottles.  

Hope that helps. 
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jruhlen1980

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I'll precede with the disclaimer that everyone's different and there's no correct answer.

I've ridden (and finished) DK twice, my goal is to beat the sun this year. You've got a pretty good setup.

+1 on having a "plan B" for extra water. Under normal conditions 2 bottles are more than sufficient for me to go 50 miles. That's fine for the first leg but as the day goes on and the heat goes up I was drinking more and more. (Also I don't drink straight water anymore, I drink highly diluted Skratch.) So on the 2nd and 3rd legs especially I plan on 4 bottles (three on the frame, one in my jersey). I have a 100-oz camelbak as backup with my support crew if needed. Last year on the third leg I went through 3 bottles and the entire camelbak with 20 miles to go. (A lot of that had to do with my fitness, weight, and nutrition strategy, and I hope I've addressed those issues this year.)

Bags -- I used a frame bag in 2015. There was miles of hike-a-bike. Carrying a bike with a frame bag is a gigantic PITA. Never again. Also, I had way more crap than I needed. I've refined my setup a bit since then. Bento box/gas tank/top tube bag with food and electrolyte pills. Very large saddle bag with three tubes, multitool, levers, quick links, spare RD hanger, and a couple other odds and ends. Also, a first aid kit. (Personal preference.) Frame pump bolted next to one of the water bottle cages.

I've been running this setup for a few months now and I'm pretty satisfied. I still haven't quite dialed in my cue sheet holder situation (don't rely 100% on your garmin for navigation because batteries die), but I've got a couple ideas.
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cjdaking

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Thanks, fellas! I've done 100 mile events with limited re-supply options with 3 bottles, but it might make sense to pack a camelbak and skip the tangle bag. I can always drink it first to keep the weight off my back. I signed up for the support crew service, so I'm hoping to keep enough food on board to make it between checkpoints with a little margin to spare. 

Thanks for the tips!
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nbwsandyutah

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Cool.  And I should say my guidance was based on the same format as last year, where there were basically 3 stops over the entire course.  I don't know if that is always the format each year.  But I assume it is.  Eg.

Start
Aid 1
Aid 2
Aid 3
Finish

So the spacing was roughly equal, but not exactly.  I think the longest increment was 55 miles or even 60 before the next pit.  So at like a 15-16 hour pace, that would mean average segment times of 4 hours.  Accounting for the fact that at least one of the legs was up to 60 miles, and the winds picked up later in the day, you are looking at a longest increment of maybe up to 5 hours. If it is very hot, that is a long time to go on just 3 water bottles... in fact, nearly impossible.

As far as carrying your food, the tangle bags could be good, and I think a good top-tube bag is great because it puts the food items within sight and within easy access.  Its staring you in the face reminding you to eat at regular intervals.  And easier to access for sure, than say in your jersey pockets, and probably easier than a tangle bag as well.  You just have to find the right one that fits the bike well, and is big enough to carry what you want, without giving you thigh rub on the up-down of your pedal stroke.



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jruhlen1980

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Originally Posted by nbwsandyutah
I don't know if that is always the format each year.  But I assume it is.


On the Paceline podcast the other day they said this year's route was mostly the same as last year's, so I think you're right with the 3 stops. They said they usually use the same route about 2-3 years.

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Accounting for the fact that at least one of the legs was up to 60 miles, and the winds picked up later in the day, you are looking at a longest increment of maybe up to 5 hours. If it is very hot, that is a long time to go on just 3 water bottles... in fact, nearly impossible.


That's no joke. The 60 mile leg, combined with the 90 degree heat and 20 mph headwind, combined with the fact that I just need more fluids in general after 100 miles, made for a pretty dicey situation last year. There was a farmer with a cooler full of cold water that saved my butt, that's for sure.
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Zurichman

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jruhlen1980 I use a product called Bar Map on my rando rides and fastens to  your handle bars. I see it's on Amazon.

Zman
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I've never owned a Camelbak and I'm considering getting one for a 112 mile race (my first at this distance). I'm wondering if it's reasonable to plan on being able to get it quickly refilled at an aid station stop (there will be two fairly evenly spaced out)? Or do Camelbak users typically use the contents until empty and then that's it?

My first gravel race of 55 miles last weekend in 3 1/2 hours, I consumed 3 bottles (1 was Gatorade) and 2 gels for a total of 280 calories and 60 oz of fluid. It was 40's at the start and a beautiful 65-70 degrees by the finish.

My target 112 mile race at the end of June will likely be much warmer so fluid intake will surely need to be higher. And in regards to fuel, I'm thinking in the neighborhood of 200 calories per hour for 7+ hours for an experienced 150 lb athlete. Does this sound like I'm on the right track?
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I'll chime in with my input. I've raced DK200 six times, finished three, and learned a fair bit from my DNFs. 

Last year I ran two bottles in the front triangle and two in a Profile Designs tri bottle holder behind the saddle. I kept my food in a top tube bag and jersey pockets. 

This setup worked very well for me. 

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