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MBERIC

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Has anyone put the new WTB Resolute 700x42 
on a Salsa Carbon Warbird they should fit, but some reviews say the tire
measures greater than 44mm
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AlanEsh

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I have a set on my Raleigh and they measure 45mm. BUT, my rims are WTB i25 (internal width 25mm) so they fluff up the tire. i.e. actual tire width will vary based on rim width. I suppose that's not super helpful for your warbird-specific question, but might be of use to someone.
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Mike Nichols

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I recently tried putting the WTB Resolute 42 on my 2017 aluminum Salsa Warbird, and it did fit, but there were only a couple of millimeters of clearance on either side of the rear tire. So, I made the decision to pull them off and stick with the stock tires for now. Which brings me to my question... can anyone recommend a good all-weather / all-purpose gravel tire that would be at least as good as the Resolute? I'm looking at the Vittoria Terreno Mix 700x40. I would love to know how those stack up against the Resolutes in terms of rolling resistance, stability and mud shedding. Any thoughts?
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AlanEsh

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This is a pretty good roundup of gravel tire info, including quite a few that have been reviewed by the site owner:
http://ridinggravel.com/graveltires/

As far as finding a tire "at least as good as the Resolute" goes, that's a tall order. The Resolute is a great all-rounder tire IMO; I'm using it for commuting and for gravel, and I love how supple it is and the superb grip and stability. I have only had them half a season so I can't speak to how they wear. All this to say, you might look into other WTB offerings, like the Nano, since they seem to know how to build an all-surface tire.

I hope that helps!
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Mike, if you're looking for a muddy gravel tire, maybe the Compass 38c knobby one? If you set it up tubeless, use ear protection though. I've had a few of their tires blow off the rim which caused permanent hearing damage.
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Mike, if you're looking for a muddy gravel tire, maybe the Compass 38c knobby one? If you set it up tubeless, use ear protection though. I've had a few of their tires blow off the rim which caused permanent hearing damage.


Thanks, Volsung. Looking less for a specialized mud tire and more for an all-purpose tire that does a decent job of shedding mud while still performing reasonably well on hard pack or loose-over-hard pack. The two tires that seem to be contenders for this role, beyond the WTB Resolutes, are the WTB Nanos and the Vittoria Terreno Mix. I've seen reviews on the Nanos, and they seem like pretty good tires, but really heavy. And, i haven't seen much about the Terreno Mix. Would love to know more about them, or hear about alternative all-purpose gravel tires that I may not be considering.
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This is a pretty good roundup of gravel tire info, including quite a few that have been reviewed by the site owner:
http://ridinggravel.com/graveltires/

As far as finding a tire "at least as good as the Resolute" goes, that's a tall order. The Resolute is a great all-rounder tire IMO; I'm using it for commuting and for gravel, and I love how supple it is and the superb grip and stability. I have only had them half a season so I can't speak to how they wear. All this to say, you might look into other WTB offerings, like the Nano, since they seem to know how to build an all-surface tire.

I hope that helps!


Thanks AlanEsh. I've actually looked at that source, and it is helpful. The Nanos are a great suggestion. My only reservation is that they are really heavy. The Vittoria Terreno Mix appear to be similar in tread design to the Nanos, and a bit lighter. i just haven't seen too may reviews to get a sense of how well they perform.
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Maybe the Surly Knard?  They are labeled as 1mm narrower than the Resolutes, with pretty much the same tread pattern.  Both are pretty supple.  Other than that maybe Kenda Small block 8's?  Not sure if they run narrow or wide.
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Maybe the Surly Knard?  They are labeled as 1mm narrower than the Resolutes, with pretty much the same tread pattern.  Both are pretty supple.  Other than that maybe Kenda Small block 8's?  Not sure if they run narrow or wide.

I just happen to have replaced a set of Knards with the Resolutes this season [biggrin]

My observations on the Knards:
1) Not tubeless ready
2) very supple (higher tpi version) and they spun up quickly
3) They don't track very well on loose gravel
4) they shed mud pretty well but don't have the best traction for all their knobs
5) The Knards are pretty true to their 41mm size spec mounted on my WTB i25 rims, but the Resolutes got really fat, like 45mm wide on the same rims.
6) The Knards wore well over 2.5 seasons of use.
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My Maxxis Rambler looks like a slightly downsized (40mm or 38mm) of your Resolute.  I saw the Resolute on a friends bike and thought they were the same tire (although the Resolute is a bit bigger).  Ramblers are super light and very fast.  I'm also falling in love with the G-one, and they make them in about 4 tread patterns.  


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My Maxxis Rambler looks like a slightly downsized (40mm or 38mm) of your Resolute.  I saw the Resolute on a friends bike and thought they were the same tire (although the Resolute is a bit bigger).  Ramblers are super light and very fast.  I'm also falling in love with the G-one, and they make them in about 4 tread patterns.  




Thanks Chas. How are the Ramblers at shedding mud? That would be about my only concern with these tires... that the tight tread spacing, which enables them to roll fast in dry conditions, would hold onto mud in wet conditions. If you can vouch for their mud shedding, then we could have a winner.
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They shed mud, but they have really shallow knobs, so they don't bite in the mud.  I just did a cyclocross race, and was pretty careful in the muddy sections, but the tire didn't gunk up.  That is one reason I won't use a Schwalbe G-one allaround (with its very tight knob spacing) on a cyclocross race - there is always a muddy part somewhere around there.  but the G-one does come in 4 flavors, so there is something for everyone.  I do find the G-one tire very smooth and fast rolling.  Neither the Rambler of the G-one wear very well though.
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They shed mud, but they have really shallow knobs, so they don't bite in the mud.  I just did a cyclocross race, and was pretty careful in the muddy sections, but the tire didn't gunk up.  That is one reason I won't use a Schwalbe G-one allaround (with its very tight knob spacing) on a cyclocross race - there is always a muddy part somewhere around there.  but the G-one does come in 4 flavors, so there is something for everyone.  I do find the G-one tire very smooth and fast rolling.  Neither the Rambler of the G-one wear very well though.


Thanks Chas. This is really helpful. Heard great things about the Ramblers rolling fast and being light weight. If they also shed mud well, then that works for me. I'm doing Land Run for the first time this year, and if I get stuck in the mud that that race is known for, I don't want to carry an extra 10 lbs of mud on my tires or have my derailleur snap off. Since I'll be going mainly in a straight line, I can manage being a bit squirmy in mud.

If they don't wear well, I may leave my stock tires on for a while before making the change. But, it sounds like the Ramblers might be a winner for race day.

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They shed mud, but they have really shallow knobs, so they don't bite in the mud.  I just did a cyclocross race, and was pretty careful in the muddy sections, but the tire didn't gunk up.  That is one reason I won't use a Schwalbe G-one allaround (with its very tight knob spacing) on a cyclocross race - there is always a muddy part somewhere around there.  but the G-one does come in 4 flavors, so there is something for everyone.  I do find the G-one tire very smooth and fast rolling.  Neither the Rambler of the G-one wear very well though.


That echos my experience.  I rate the Resolute for deeper gravel but not so much for mud.  The Nano is better in mud, I've found, and the G-One (allround) is better on pavement.  All three wear quickly, but that's 120TPI for you I guess.

ETA - mine measure 42mm at 35psi on 20mm internal rims.
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