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So I have about a month or more to get it right and get a new set of tires on my 2016 Raleigh Tamland 1

I have done as much reading as I can.

Right now the stock tires are the Clement xplor  mso 40 cm which aren't tubeless. I am going to be running a tubeless tire.

I have had 2 different replies from locals on what tires they use there. JOM over at gravel cyclist calls that tribal knowledge but I know nothing about tires so it doesn't help me much

One local said they were riding

Kendra Flintridge
G-ones

Another local said they were riding

Panaracer Gravel King SK 40MM
Specialized 38 cm triggers
or Clement Xplor mso's 40 cm

I will be 195 - 200 lbs. They said they had flint rock, loose rocks and goat head spurs.

I have no idea how much weight each of these tires or or how much rotational weight means once you have them rolling. I think the one team was riding the triggers because they were sponsored by Specialized and a few races have been one there on these tires.

I am leaning towards the Gravel King SK's but have not read any ride reports on the Kendra Flintridge. How much difference in the weight of the tires going to be a factor in a 120 mile gravel ride.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be gladly apprecdiated.

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I've ridden thousands of miles in southeast and south central Kansas.  Sounds like we're about the same body weight...

I ride 700x35 Forte Gotham ST.  On the latest set I've ridden 703 competitive gravel miles without a flat.  Including two DK200's.

"I have no idea how much weight each of these tires or or how much rotational weight means once you have them rolling"

For me it rotational weight means zero, zip, zilch, nada during a typical gravel ride/race.  You might be a little slower/faster rolling up the hill but then you'll be a little faster/slower rolling down the hill.  ;-)  If it's Kansas, you ride up the hill...then you ride down the hill....

In all my years, I never encountered a goat head in KS.  Then again there were a couple decades when I never saw an armadillo or a wild turkey in KS...no they're thick like flies.  Back in the day people used to say it increased testosterone.  Goathead, I mean, not wild turkey or armadillo.
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Are you doing Pony Express? Counterpoint: I encountered many goatheads during that ride last year (on tubed tires, like a dummy).
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Are you doing Pony Express? Counterpoint: I encountered many goatheads during that ride last year (on tubed tires, like a dummy).


Yes I am doing the Pony Express 120.

Thanks for the advice Brennus. Gravel racing is all new to me but cycling isn't I have a 2006 Lemond Victoirre(with 20,000 miles on her) and she climbs like a dream. So much so I call her Victoria Secret. [biggrin] My Raleigh Tamland 1 climbs like a rock. It's amazing how much 4-5 lbs makes a difference when you are climbing. I am climbing 7-8% grades here which I guess most of the hills in Kansas won't be that steep. I have had other folks say that once you get a tire rolling the tire weight doesn't mean squat. So point well taken and you have help me decide my tire selection.



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We definitely have hills that are that steep or a little steeper, but not for very much distance. There were two punchy hills last year (Rose Hill and Cleburn Road Hill), but they were each less than 1/4 mile. Definitely enough to build a little separation in a group, but nothing with more than 200 feet of climb or so. These northern KS gravel rides can have a surprising amount of elevation gain despite having no huge climbs. A couple of the gravel centuries I've done in NE KS (coming in and out of the river valley) hit 8000' in 100 miles.

TLDR: Steep climbs? Yes. Long climbs? No.
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We definitely have hills that are that steep or a little steeper, but not for very much distance. There were two punchy hills last year (Rose Hill and Cleburn Road Hill), but they were each less than 1/4 mile. Definitely enough to build a little separation in a group, but nothing with more than 200 feet of climb or so. These northern KS gravel rides can have a surprising amount of elevation gain despite having no huge climbs. A couple of the gravel centuries I've done in NE KS (coming in and out of the river valley) hit 8000' in 100 miles.

TLDR: Steep climbs? Yes. Long climbs? No.


Thanks for all this info reubenc. When you talk about RoseHill & Cleburn Road Hill is this for the Pony Express ride or the DK 200. I am sure if it's for the Pony Express I will take some notes and keep it fresh in my memory. What mile markers would they be at? This will be my first ever gravel ride/race so it's all about finishing and the racing can come later.

I do have to pull the plug on a set of tires this weekend to get them set up and get use to riding them.

Here is what I think I want to buy

gravelKings sk 40 mm

I see some people say they ride 40 mm on the front and 36 mm on the back. I don't know why but I guess I read that the wider tire on front is to help you going into corners. Would you ride 40 mm on the front and back or the 40 front 36 rear?

I also saw where somebody rode Maxis Ravager on the front and Maxis Rambler on the rear.

I am the complete newbie here and so have no clue of which tires to buy.


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Bump I was hoping to get some feedback as I really need to buy some tubeless tires really soon.

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The Maxxis Rambler or the Kenda Flintridge would both be great choices. They both handel Kansas gravel well, the Maxxis Rambler run 39.8mm the Kenda 35 run about 38 and the 40 run just a little over 42. No tire is bulletproof but of the two I mentioned, they do really good here. The panaracers I've personally seen flat more than I think a tire should.
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The Maxxis Rambler or the Kenda Flintridge would both be great choices. They both handel Kansas gravel well, the Maxxis Rambler run 39.8mm the Kenda 35 run about 38 and the 40 run just a little over 42. No tire is bulletproof but of the two I mentioned, they do really good here. The panaracers I've personally seen flat more than I think a tire should.



Thanks for the input Maddogict. I went with the Flintridge in 40 cm and still have lots of clearance on my Raleigh. Now all I have to do is get use to what tire psi I want to run. I have read that lots of folks had tires burp on them on the DK200. Is that because they were running too low of tire pressure?

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WTB Riddlers I road on for DK did great.  No flats, no concerns.  I'm hearing good things about the WTB Resolutes as well.  Some suggest there better overall than the Riddlers.  Idk, I just ordered a set of WTB Resolute to try out.  We shall see but I can hole hardy recommend the Riddlers.  MSO's are good but if it can't go tubeless it's not on my bike.  good luck.
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WTB Riddlers I road on for DK did great.  No flats, no concerns.  I'm hearing good things about the WTB Resolutes as well.  Some suggest there better overall than the Riddlers.  Idk, I just ordered a set of WTB Resolute to try out.  We shall see but I can hole hardy recommend the Riddlers.  MSO's are good but if it can't go tubeless it's not on my bike.  Good luck.
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Thanks for the input Maddogict. I went with the Flintridge in 40 cm and still have lots of clearance on my Raleigh. Now all I have to do is get use to what tire psi I want to run. I have read that lots of folks had tires burp on them on the DK200. Is that because they were running too low of tire pressure?

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I did support for a couple guys that did DK, I had to add air to the tires at all 3 stops. I really think it's more luck for some guys. The last rider ended up with a flat about 20 feet after the last stop. We just put a tube in it. They were running 36 psi, but they are also maybe 150 pounds. I weigh about 280 and run 38 f and 40 for the rear. Kansas gravel can go from smooth hardpack to chunky boulders in just a few feet lol. Not to mention the flintrock to contend with. I hang out at my local bike shop and I have some pretty good friendships with the guys that race. From what I've seen the Flintridge for a guy over 200 is about the best option to go with. The ramblers take a close second too. Good luck with the race.
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I did support for a couple guys that did DK, I had to add air to the tires at all 3 stops. I really think it's more luck for some guys. The last rider ended up with a flat about 20 feet after the last stop. We just put a tube in it. They were running 36 psi, but they are also maybe 150 pounds. I weigh about 280 and run 38 f and 40 for the rear. Kansas gravel can go from smooth hardpack to chunky boulders in just a few feet lol. Not to mention the flintrock to contend with. I hang out at my local bike shop and I have some pretty good friendships with the guys that race. From what I've seen the Flintridge for a guy over 200 is about the best option to go with. The ramblers take a close second too. Good luck with the race.


Maddogict thanks again for the info again and the encouragement. One of the hardest things I am having getting use to gravel riding is riding the bike with low pressure tires. On my road bike I know I have my tires inflated higher than most. 120-125 lb. psi in the rear and 110-120 in the front. The other Friday I had climbed my local mt. and only stopped once on a 3 mile climb @ 7-8%. After I made it to the top I was riding out along the top of the mt. and it felt like my tire was going flat. Since I hadn't seen anybody all day I panicked and quickly descended the mt. thinking I wouldn't make it. When I made it home I found out my rear tire was just a little bit under 40 lbs. psi but I am not use to that feeling of the tire being so low and feeling the road like that. I guess I will get use to it but it is going to take awhile. I am still thinking of running 45 rear and 40 in the front for the race. Do you know anybody by chance that lives close to Marysville? Still looking for a crew member.

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