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Granted I have the lower end Roker Sport, but figured I'd continue the thread...

The front derailleur shifting problems I encountered were in fact due to the front shifter.  The LBS got a warranty replacement shifter from Shimano and that fixed the shifting problems and I can at last use all the gears! :-)



Good to hear you got your Roker shifting working good.
I'm going to give the Tiagra one ride before I change it out.

Raleigh paid the bill to get the rear hanger replaced.

I noticed A good size hole under the one of the chainstay. Look like it is just in the carbon.
going send A picture to Raleigh.No miles yet. [frown]

The  Shimano  Tiagra shifting problem is posted on quiet A few bike forums and on different brand bikes.

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I am really starting to like my Raleigh Roker Comp, It performed very well at the Dirty Pecan this weekend. I missed a couple of shifts but nothing to worry about. I weigh a tad over the 200 lbs. side right now. Being around other riders I was pulling away from guys on  the downhills that weighed more than me so that tells me it has a great freewheel on the rear. The stock tire set up to me seems fine but then I haven't a lot of tires to know what is good or bad because my old mt. bike had nasty tires on it and the rear was actually out of round and had a knot on the tire. I do have a question for you gear heads though. I have thoughts right now of doing the Bootlegger 100 next month in Lenoir NC. From what I have read it has some nasty climbing in it. So I want to get some lower gears and will be willing to sacrifice some on the top end for this. I have no clue what to get though. I am going to go look at the specs on my bike and repost.

I see the bike gearing specs are 11 x 42

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Ahh good the the 1x Sram is getting better. They have so many different models for shifting it is confusing for me.Do they have live chat? I'm not going to try my 1x Sram until I get some miles on my 2x  Shimano .

Front derailleur gearing is going to be  46/32.Not sure about rear.I guess try 32 and see if my old legs can
make it up these hills around here.
Prices on the Rokers and Tamlands have gone way up and not many models left at Raleigh.com

It would be A shame if they get rid of the Roker model.Having crazy weather here in the Sierra Nevada
foothills.Goes from 70's to snowing A little the next week.Good weather last few days,but I think another storm is coming in.cheers jj
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Good to hear you got your Roker shifting working good.
I'm going to give the Tiagra one ride before I change it out.

Raleigh paid the bill to get the rear hanger replaced.

I noticed A good size hole under the one of the chainstay. Look like it is just in the carbon.
going send A picture to Raleigh.No miles yet. [frown]

The  Shimano  Tiagra shifting problem is posted on quiet A few bike forums and on different brand bikes.



Ahh good the the 1x Sram is getting better. They have so many different models for shifting it is confusing for me.Do they have live chat? I'm not going to try my 1x Sram until I get some miles on my 2x  Shimano .

Front derailleur gearing is going to be  46/32.Not sure about rear.I guess try 32 and see if my old legs can
make it up these hills around here.
Prices on the Rokers and Tamlands have gone way up and not many models left at Raleigh.com

It would be A shame if they get rid of the Roker model.Having crazy weather here in the Sierra Nevada
foothills.Goes from 70's to snowing A little the next week.Good weather last few days,but I think another storm is coming in.cheers jj


jjbnum3

It is a given that the Roker is out of their line up. I am only guessing here but guess that they want to get as much buckaroos out of the remaining Roker's they have left. Yes they do have live chat over on the RaleighUSA website. I have found it somewhat helpful at times and other times not. I do know that Leif at Raleigh is very helpful and I actually saw him post here one time on one of the threads.

Looks to me like Raleigh is going in another direction of their bike lines as I keep getting all kind of emails well I did of them wanting to sell beach cruisers and the old retro bikes. Not sure why they decided to go that route. That was one of the deciding factors of me buying my Roker Comp as I knew it wasn't in the  line up for 2018. From doing my research I really never saw anybody give the bike a bad review. I need to work hard on getting the engine trimmed down like the bike is and eventually will buy a lighter better wheel set but need to pay some other bills off right now along with that n+1(Roker) bike that I couldn't live without. I will say that the bike keeps impressing me the more I get to ride it. The Dirty Pecan ride was only the 3rd ride for me on that bike. I thought I really might have some trouble getting the bike set back up with traveling with it for the first time but it went together pretty smooth. The only thing I did notice is that the bike didn't fit as well in my Trico Iron Horse bike case like my roadie bikes do. Has anybody else noticed that? Length was fine and yes I removed the rear derailleur. When the bike was taken apart and placed between the padding the bike was thicker and I didn't get the case completely closed like I do on my road bikes.

Good luck in getting some good weather and getting that bike out. We have Robins here now in PA. which is a good first sign of spring. I am just hoping they didn't pack up their suitcases early and it soon on it's way. lol

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noCoolGreg Did you ever get your shifting problems fixed on your Roker Sport. This possibly could be the problem as my Roker Comp developed this problem after only 3 rides

a 32 mile ride
same 32 mile ride on the mts nearby
80 mile ride at Dirty Pecan

I took my Roker Comp today to a Raleigh LBS to get the 42 gear tooth changed out on the front end to 36. While there he noticed that the rear derailleur was hanging up in the last 3-4 gears while downshifting only. He had to take the entire cable assembly apart and found out that the cable was eating away at the end cap on the top tube where the cable goes into the inside of the bike. After all this rewrapping the bar tape and fishing the cable back down thru the down tube the bike shifts fine. My bill for all this repair was something like $30 but I still want to turn it into Raleigh as this shouldn't be happening this fast.

Greg you bike has the cable going thru the inside of the frame right?


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Zman,
The root cause of the problem I encountered was due to a faulty front shifter which was replaced by Shimano under warranty.

Did the LBS indicate if the root cause on your bike was due to improper initial setup or is there a design problem?  I don't have many miles and for now the shifting works great.  

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Zman,
The root cause of the problem I encountered was due to a faulty front shifter which was replaced by Shimano under warranty.

Did the LBS indicate if the root cause on your bike was due to improper initial setup or is there a design problem?  I don't have many miles and for now the shifting works great.  

Thanks,
Greg



Greg:

He really didn't say. What somewhat surprised me is that he said he never quite saw a set up like that. He sells mainly to Mennonites and so doesn't sell any gravel bikes would be my guess. I would have thought though that he has seen other bikes(road bikes)with cables running down thru the frame though. My good guess is that the cable rubbing/eating into the stop was a design problem not an improper initial setup. It looked to me like there was too much of an angle/pull on that stop with the way it went into the frame at the top tube. I am not sure though. I just hope that the problem is fixed(looks like it) and that it doesn't happen again say in the middle of a race.

BTW Glad to hear you have yours fixed. Nothing like riding a smooth shifting bike. When it's not working though not so much fun.

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"He had to take the entire cable assembly apart and found out that the cable was eating away at the end cap on the top tube where the cable goes into the inside of the bike."

Zman - I had the same issue on my Roker Comp. Cable movement cut a slot in the cable end cap. Eventually the shifting got wonky. I discovered the cause and replaced the cap. The shifting problem was resolved. 
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I just recently snagged a Roker Comp 58cm (I guess one of the last ones, as they've completely disappeared online).  I based this on the feedback here and I must say it is a peach!  As you guys found in your boxes, the rear derailleur hanger was bent on arrival.  Raleigh is sending me a new one though so no biggie.  I will be using this bike as a gravel race bike and I'll likely upgrade some of the weaker components, the seatpost, saddle, stem, bars, crankset, wheels...  I converted the stock tires to tubeless and they are holding air quite well.  I used 70mL of Trucker sealant.

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I just recently snagged a Roker Comp 58cm (I guess one of the last ones, as they've completely disappeared online).  I based this on the feedback here and I must say it is a peach!  As you guys found in your boxes, the rear derailleur hanger was bent on arrival.  Raleigh is sending me a new one though so no biggie.  I will be using this bike as a gravel race bike and I'll likely upgrade some of the weaker components, the seatpost, saddle, stem, bars, crankset, wheels...  I converted the stock tires to tubeless and they are holding air quite well.  I used 70mL of Trucker sealant.

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That's a lot of seatpost & stem.  You are going to race!

I've replaced most of the items you listed.  Currently, my bike's at the LBS getting recabled after I installed the 6800 Ultegra groupset and TRP Hy/RD brakes.  In fact, the only things that are stock are the bars, frame, and wheelset.

I got 1100 miles on the original setup, and never ran into the shifting problems that NoCoGreg or zman ran into.  FYI, the chain was well past it's time to change based on the checker tool.  I probably cross-chain more in this bike than I do my roadie, but still, 1100 miles seemed a bit quick.  The LBS I took it to is pretty competent, so I doubt I'll have an issue shifting once I get it back.

Looking forward to the season.
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"He had to take the entire cable assembly apart and found out that the cable was eating away at the end cap on the top tube where the cable goes into the inside of the bike."

Zman - I had the same issue on my Roker Comp. Cable movement cut a slot in the cable end cap. Eventually the shifting got wonky. I discovered the cause and replaced the cap. The shifting problem was resolved. 

Thanks for the head's up on this!  I'll definitely keep an eye on it...

Greg

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Thanks for the head's up on this!  I'll definitely keep an eye on it...

Greg



You are quite welcome Greg. I find it kind of funny that all these problems keep show up on the same bikes. At my end it seemed crazy that it could show up only after only 130 miles on my bike. From reading some other posts it sounds like they did start padding the rear derailleurs. It also was only affecting mine in the 3-4 highest gears on the upshifts only which shouldn't have much strain on it or is that because it's towards the end and what you would call cross chaining?

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noCoolGreg Did you ever get your shifting problems fixed on your Roker Sport. This possibly could be the problem as my Roker Comp developed this problem after only 3 rides

a 32 mile ride
same 32 mile ride on the mts nearby
80 mile ride at Dirty Pecan

I took my Roker Comp today to a Raleigh LBS to get the 42 gear tooth changed out on the front end to 36. While there he noticed that the rear derailleur was hanging up in the last 3-4 gears while downshifting only. He had to take the entire cable assembly apart and found out that the cable was eating away at the end cap on the top tube where the cable goes into the inside of the bike. After all this rewrapping the bar tape and fishing the cable back down thru the down tube the bike shifts fine. My bill for all this repair was something like $30 but I still want to turn it into Raleigh as this shouldn't be happening this fast.

Greg you bike has the cable going thru the inside of the frame right?


Zman


Yeah no way that should be happening so soon or maybe ever.Interesting to see what Raleigh has to say.Sounds like you have A good LBS,$30 sounds like A good price.

It looks to me that some of Raleigh Carbon bikes are leaving off some of the rubber grommets for some of the cables and housing.I think there should be A plastic sleeve for the front derailleur cable going through the frame. NoCoGreg post has A photo of this part of the frame.

Now I looked at two Carbon Fuji's bicycles with the same set-up.Both had the sleeve,and I notice I have A extra one in my bag of  parts sent with my Roker Sport.Also my Merit sport has A bent derailleur hanger.

I just recently snagged a Roker Comp 58cm (I guess one of the last ones, as they've completely disappeared online).  I based this on the feedback here and I must say it is a peach!  As you guys found in your boxes, the rear derailleur hanger was bent on arrival.  Raleigh is sending me a new one though so no biggie.  I will be using this bike as a gravel race bike and I'll likely upgrade some of the weaker components, the seatpost, saddle, stem, bars, crankset, wheels...  I converted the stock tires to tubeless and they are holding air quite well.  I used 70mL of Trucker sealant.

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Raleigh.com still has the Roker for sale,but not all sizes.What wheel are you going tubeless with?
I  ride the same size.I'm 6' 2" but have A small bike inseam for my height.
I'm just going to increase the stem one size and plan to use it  about 40/60 road to offroad.

I'll post the build once I'm almost done,I should have almost everything.As I bought many parts as they went on sale.
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There are a lot of Rokers available other than the Raleigh web site - and for a couple hundred dollars cheaper (Google, Amazon, ebay).  Its a pity the Roker Race was not sold in the US.  That is a sweet build.  
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There are a lot of Rokers available other than the Raleigh web site - and for a couple hundred dollars cheaper (Google, Amazon, ebay).  Its a pity the Roker Race was not sold in the US.  That is a sweet build.  


What was the groupset & price?

LBS had a new Trek Checkpoint on display.  It looks like a lot of bike for the money.  I'll probably take it out on a test ride when I'm able to ride again.

I got my Roker back today with the 6800 groupset.  It sure shifts very well on the stand!  I can't wait to ride it.
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Roker is a lot of bike for the money.  New 2017 models are selling for $1600-$1700.   Sport is around $1200.

You can google Roker Race - you'll get some UK hits.  as I recall it weighed about 17.5lbs  and had SRAM Force.  JOM at Gravel Cyclist has the parts list for his 17.5 lb build.
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Roker is a lot of bike for the money.  New 2017 models are selling for $1600-$1700.   Sport is around $1200.

You can google Roker Race - you'll get some UK hits.  as I recall it weighed about 17.5lbs  and had SRAM Force.  JOM at Gravel Cyclist has the parts list for his 17.5 lb build.


No argument there.  You're getting a full carbon bike with a respectable groupset for $1200.  That's pretty good.  The only thing that I can think of that comes close is a Chinese Carbonda - and you have to build that yourself.
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There are a lot of Rokers available other than the Raleigh web site - and for a couple hundred dollars cheaper (Google, Amazon, ebay).  Its a pity the Roker Race was not sold in the US.  That is a sweet build.  


Just looking at Amazon,the price for the Sport goes from around $1060 to over 2K .Depending on what size you need.My size hardly goes for cheap.But with the discounts on the Raleigh site,I'm happy with the price I paid for the Roker sport.

But anyone interested in A Roker or other Raleigh bike.Keep watching all the sites that sell them.
I notice prices going up and down all the time.$1060 is about the cheapest I seen the Roker Sport in one or two sizes.But be ready for A bent rear derailleur hanger.[frown]

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Roker is a lot of bike for the money.  New 2017 models are selling for $1600-$1700.   Sport is around $1200.

You can google Roker Race - you'll get some UK hits.  as I recall it weighed about 17.5lbs  and had SRAM Force.  JOM at Gravel Cyclist has the parts list for his 17.5 lb build.


I would have liked  to get A Roker with Force.I'm going to build my sport up with either Red or shimano ultegra.


I like the paint on this Roker Pro from the Uk the best.


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But anyone interested in A Roker or other Raleigh bike.Keep watching all the sites that sell them.
I notice prices going up and down all the time.$1060 is about the cheapest I seen the Roker Sport in one or two sizes.But be ready for A bent rear derailleur hanger.[frown]



jjbnum3 I forget who posted last but somebody did get a bike shipped from Raleigh that was padded and the rear derailleur wasn't bent.

They might have been reading our posts. lol

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Just an update: I got the stock tires set up tubeless without issue, even though they are not technically the tubeless model.  I used 90ml of Trucker sealant and stock rim tape.  I am doing a 106 mi grinder this weekend so that will be the true test.
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Just an update: I got the stock tires set up tubeless without issue, even though they are not technically the tubeless model.  I used 90ml of Trucker sealant and stock rim tape.  I am doing a 106 mi grinder this weekend so that will be the true test.


Which bike were you setting up tubeless? My Roker Comp had tubeless tires on it.

spandy24 what ride are you doing? Good luck


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Solution to poor shifting.
 
It seems like a few of us reported shifting issues with the Roker Comp.  When mine was set up perfectly and the cable/housing was new it shifted great except for a slight delay when shifting down the cassette between the smallest 3 cogs.  The delay would get worse over time (particularly in wet and muddy conditions) and reached the point of being pretty annoying in less than 200 miles.  It would shift fine when moving up the cassette so I'm convinced the problem is due to drag/friction with the cable and housing.  As the derailleur gets closer the smallest cog there's less spring tension so a free-moving cable is critical to good shifting in those gears.  The primary weak point is where the cable first enters the downtube.  The entry angle is too sharp and creates extra friction/drag where the cable exits the ferrule.  Ideally, the cable’s path of travel should be straight after exiting the ferrule.  As someone else already pointed out, the cable will eventually start sawing into the ferrule creating even more drag.  There’s a similar issue where the cable housing enters the frame at the chainstay, but the angle isn't as sharp.

The solution is to run full length housing.  Running the housing through the frame isn't that hard and once it's done you essentially have a sealed system.  You need to drill out the 2 cable stops, but that's easy.  I feel dumb for not thinking of this sooner.
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FYI, I'm at 21.6lbs after installing the Ultegra 6800 groupset.  This is after changing out the aforementioned groupset, stem, seatpost and saddle.  It includes my K-edge combo Garmin/GoPro mount.

What are the rest of you weighing in at?
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FYI, I'm at 21.6lbs after installing the Ultegra 6800 groupset.  This is after changing out the aforementioned groupset, stem, seatpost and saddle.  It includes my K-edge combo Garmin/GoPro mount.

What are the rest of you weighing in at?


My Roker Sport initial build came in around 22.5 but that was before I added Orange Seal to my tubes and some additional accessories.

FWIW the LBS recommended I not try to run the MSO's tubeless as they've had a 50% success rate.  Clement has a tubeless specific MSO which I had the shop install on my wife's Jamis.  Since I'm not racing on the Roker I just added 3 oz or Orange Seal to new tubes - the tubes which came on the Roker did not have removable valve cores.

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My Roker Sport initial build came in around 22.5 but that was before I added Orange Seal to my tubes and some additional accessories.

FWIW the LBS recommended I not try to run the MSO's tubeless as they've had a 50% success rate.  Clement has a tubeless specific MSO which I had the shop install on my wife's Jamis.  Since I'm not racing on the Roker I just added 3 oz or Orange Seal to new tubes - the tubes which came on the Roker did not have removable valve cores.



My weight was tubeless, with an oz or 2 of Orange Seal in Maxxis Rambler tires.  I wouldn't trust the non-tubeless MSO tubeless after my experience on the Rampart Rager.

You put sealant IN tubes?  Interesting - I've never heard of that.
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I use skinnystripper to run iffy tires tubeless (and actually on all my tires). It practically turns a clincher into a tubular tire. Burping or blow offs are difficult if not impossible.

Lots of little bonuses too. I just swapped tires into a new rim. It was a piece of cake. Sealant stayed in the tire, no mess on the rim or sealant loss on the swap. Surprisingly the easiest tire swap I have ever done.
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My Roker Sport initial build came in around 22.5 but that was before I added Orange Seal to my tubes and some additional accessories.

FWIW the LBS recommended I not try to run the MSO's tubeless as they've had a 50% success rate.  Clement has a tubeless specific MSO which I had the shop install on my wife's Jamis.  Since I'm not racing on the Roker I just added 3 oz or Orange Seal to new tubes - the tubes which came on the Roker did not have removable valve cores.

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nocoolgreg not sure which tires came on your sport. my tamland had the non tubeless and your shop was right. i did manage to get the front sealed up but not the back. my roker comp came with the tubeless mso tires.



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