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FestiveNoodle

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Strange. The BP's fit well on my X-Trail, though fairly tight.

Grail is very wide rim. I have Maxxis Rambler in 38c on stock DT Swiss, that fit just fine. Go, figure.
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Grail is very wide rim. I have Maxxis Rambler in 38c on stock DT Swiss, that fit just fine. Go, figure.


I'm on the HED Belgium Plus, which I would guess are a similar width.  Also, the new tubeless Barlow Pass's are supposed to be a hair wider.  I haven't tried them yet, but hopefully they will still fit in my bike.  You can see my bike with the prior version in my post in the thread on 4/26.
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I wouldn't try fitting anything wider than 38mm rear, the clearance just isn't there.


Agree.   

I ride 50% trail - 50% gravel.   I ride the Clement MSO 700 x 36 tubeless tpi 120 tire, tubeless on stock DT Swiss rims.   It's a great set up, I love it, but definitely as wide as I want on the 2017 Carbon Ridley xtrail.   1500 is all I can get out of the rear...but it's carrying a fair amount of weight (me + camelbak).    It is not a road tire = its more aggressive tread than the G-One.

Regarding clearance ... again 36-38 max if riding tubeless..... OP, I suppose you could squeeze a wider road tire in there if you knew you would never hit mud, but wider road tire wouldn't be my thing. ymmv, that's cool.



  

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AmericanTemplar

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Agree.   

I ride 50% trail - 50% gravel.   I ride the Clement MSO 700 x 36 tubeless tpi 120 tire, tubeless on stock DT Swiss rims.   It's a great set up, I love it, but definitely as wide as I want on the 2017 Carbon Ridley xtrail.   1500 is all I can get out of the rear...but it's carrying a fair amount of weight (me + camelbak).    It is not a road tire = its more aggressive tread than the G-One.

Regarding clearance ... again 36-38 max if riding tubeless..... OP, I suppose you could squeeze a wider road tire in there if you knew you would never hit mud, but wider road tire wouldn't be my thing. ymmv, that's cool.



  



I have those as well and put them on for rides where it's mostly dirt.  They give better braking and climbing traction off road than the Compass tires and they do a little better on off camber stuff, but the Compass are much more comfortable with their supple side walls and I'm finding more and more that the Compass are the best swiss army knife of tires.  I with that the Soma Cazadero cleared.  Those are the nicest treaded tires that I've ridden.
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I wouldn't try fitting anything wider than 38mm rear, the clearance just isn't there.


Thanks for the reply!  Understood - I just know size can vary based on rim, and was hoping to hear recommendations based on experience.  Would those Compass Barlow Pass last longer than the G-Ones I am replacing?  I thought all the Compass tires were excellent tires commanding a premium but with less focus on longevity.

Thanks to all recommendations!
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Mr CRUD

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Love the X-Trail. It works great as standard. UK mud, no problem!DSC_7419.jpg 
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Love the X-Trail. It works great as standard. UK mud, no problem!DSC_7419.jpg 


Nice looking bike!!!👍👍👍
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GHC

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agreed, now that's how a bike is supposed to look after a ride.   nice.

obviously I am very biased because I own one, but man, I still think the xtrail is one of the best kept secrets out there.

Have ridden a warbird (and it was nice), but frankly imo, this bike (according to my scientific feel through my bottom side lol), is both more responsive and compliant. 

Can still find them on sale in the states from time to time for around 2400 carbon and ultegra equipped/ready to go sans tubeless tires. 

And if concrete is more a riders norm, slap a 30 on it and haul the mail.

The only drawback of the Xtrail imo (and it isn't a draw back for me), is the 38 max rear.   

Still loving the bike, should pass 5k miles on her this month.  It shines on Midwest gravel roads.




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I agree with everything you said except.....I don't like to get my Ridley that muddy.:-)

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I agree with everything you said except.....I don't like to get my Ridley that muddy.:-)

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That’s a nice looking X-trail!

Mine was clean at this point, muddy a little later, then cleaned off by a downpour.

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AmericanTemplar

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So what is the biggest treaded tire that people are fitting on their X-Trails and what are your favorites?  Generally my preference is to just keep the Compass Barlow Pass tires on for everything but I rode a course this weekend (the Sagan Dirt Fondo) that had some really rough sections so I used the Clement Xplor MSO 36's, since they work well tubeless and have a stronger casing and I wouldn't have minded something bigger if possible.  Also, has anyone tried fitting 650b wheels with bigger tires?

I tried setting the GravelKing 38's tubeless and didn't have any luck.  My friend said that they setup very easily for him.  My theory is that the difficulty was due to the fact that they had already been installed with tubes and had some small punctures that would have sealed had they been used tubeless before.

Also, the Compass Barlow Pass are no good tubeless.  The sidewall is too thin to be air tight and even with a sealant that coats everything, like Orange Seal, they still didn't work well in the long term.
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I think it all depends on the inner width of the rim.
I'm running a set of Clement X'Plor MSO in 36 with around 4-5 mm clearance between the stays and the Di2 front derailleur, so I wouldn't feel comfortable putting anything bigger.
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I am running gravelking sk in 38 on Hed Belgium Plus, tubeless, ~40 psi.  Measure a hair over 40.  Clearance is tight in rear, especially with the front derailleur.  Raced last weekend and had no issues.  I also run G-One in 35s. 

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I am running gravelking sk in 38 on Hed Belgium Plus, tubeless, ~40 psi.  Measure a hair over 40.  Clearance is tight in rear, especially with the front derailleur.  Raced last weekend and had no issues.  I also run G-One in 35s. 



I'm on the same rims.  Did the GK's set up tubeless fairly easily for you?

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I ride a carbon xtrail with DT Swiss r460db wheels (20mm i think).....I ride clement (now Donelly from what I am told, I have plenty of the Clements) 700 x 36 MSO high tpi’s or the “new” last yr Gravel King SK 700 x 35’ with TLC stamped on them. (Make sure it has the TLC stamp on it) Both swell to just under 38 on my rims over time. These are as big as the rear will take unless you never encounter mud or sticky stuff. The front you can go bigger if you want. Love this bike!

Have also put G-one (or whatever they call their thicker knobed tire these days) in a 35, and they fit too. But I ride the other two depending on conditions.

I also have some 30 mm S-ones I swap in from time to time on organized road events.

Tubeless is the only way I ride anymore. Set it up tubeless if you haven’t already. Those 35’s or 36’s in the rear lower pressure will suck up all the bumps I need them to. I have a Uber big tire bike if these aren’t enough.

Did I mention I love this bike lol.

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I ride a carbon xtrail with DT Swiss r460db wheels (20mm i think).....I ride clement (now Donelly from what I am told, I have plenty of the Clements) 700 x 36 MSO high tpi’s or the “new” last yr Gravel King SK 700 x 35’ with TLC stamped on them. (Make sure it has the TLC stamp on it) Both swell to just under 38 on my rims over time. These are as big as the rear will take unless you never encounter mud or sticky stuff. The front you can go bigger if you want. Love this bike! Have also put G-one (or whatever they call their thicker knobed tire these days) in a 35, and they fit too. But I ride the other two depending on conditions. I also have some 30 mm S-ones I swap in from time to time on organized road events. Tubeless is the only way I ride anymore. Set it up tubeless if you haven’t already. Those 35’s or 36’s in the rear lower pressure will suck up all the bumps I need them to. I have a Uber big tire bike if these aren’t enough. Did I mention I love this bike lol.


My GK's are the "TLC" version, however they are also the slick version, but I would assume that the casing is identical. 

Here is the Clement X'Plor 36 setup Tubeless on a HED Belgium Plus rim.  There is 5mm of clearance on both sides with these tires.
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And here is the Compass Barlow Pass 38's tubed.  There is 4mm of clearance on each side with this setup.  
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I'm on the same rims.  Did the GK's set up tubeless fairly easily for you?



No, not real easy and leaked pressure badly for a week or two.  Definitely needs sealant.  I have a Schwalbe Tire Booster which I needed.  My track pump was good enough for the G-one, but definitely not for the GKs.  I did not have to soap the rims or anything too crazy, but definitely needed to remove the valve cores and use the booster.  Not sure if matters but my are brown sidewall marked TLC version.
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No, not real easy and leaked pressure badly for a week or two.  Definitely needs sealant.  I have a Schwalbe Tire Booster which I needed.  My track pump was good enough for the G-one, but definitely not for the GKs.  I did not have to soap the rims or anything too crazy, but definitely needed to remove the valve cores and use the booster.  Not sure if matters but my are brown sidewall marked TLC version.


Oh, that Schwalbe Tire Booster looks awesome!  I'm going to have to get one.  I used my shop compressor and it didn't work.  The chuck that I use it is activated by making contact with the valve core so you have to keep them in.  I tried using my friends Bontrager Flash Charger as well and the tires didn't move at all.  I suppose I probably could have removed the cores with that pump, since the pump head clamps on.  I also have the brown TLC version.  They are quite tight and harder to get on the rims than most tires that I have used.  The sidewall is also fairly stiff, compared to the Compass, for example.  I did use soap and water both with the compressor and the Flash Charger and didn't get close to getting them to seat in either case.  I think I'll try one more time without the valve cores to see if that works.  

I had the Compass Barlow Pass setup tubeless for a while and they leaked like crazy forever.  When I was setting them up, before adding sealant you could hear air coming out of the casing joint (the one that runs perpendicular to the bead).  The sidewalls are so porous and experience so much flex (particularly in the rear) that they never worked very well tubeless.  Honestly, I couldn't tell any performance differences when they were tubeless though as far as feel goes.  They did instantly seal when I ran over a nail, which was cool.  If it were easier and more reliable, I would prefer tubeless.

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Fwiw...the mso’s And the newly stamped GK’s and the G’ones and the S-Ones all held air on their own on the DT 460db rims I mentioned. I now always use soap/water mix spray prior to air, and while I used to use a hand pump (which worked on the MSO’s typically, I have since gone to a compressor on all initial seats because it’s easier for me. I have a “spray” nozel attachment with a rubber end that can easily mates into the stem end and held by hand .....attachment can be found at any hardware or big box hardware store. Once partially snapped into seat, I go slow until all brads snap in and leaks stop (which may put me a touch over stamped max), then I let them
Sit for 5-10 minutes, then slowly bleed air before removing core to shoot in sealant, add air to high pressure, shake, install tires, and immediately ride. Let em sit, next ride reduce pressure and gtg. Everyone has thier way, this is mine, do what works for you, ymmv.
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Hi Guys....brand new to this forum. First post so apologies if wrong approach.
I'm looking at buying a 2018 Ridley X-trail and was considering the alloy 105 mix, but with the price drop I can get the carbon 105 mix albeit with cable discs for the same money as the alloy was at £1699.
I've also seen a carbon Ultegra mix for £1949 but with the ultegra 6800 not 8000. Full hydraulic discs I guess.

Any thoughts or advice please?

I'm thinking I'll be 90 % on road, lanes....but can go off when I feel like.
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I'm also open to other recommendations for alternative bikes. X-trail alloy is first one I have tried.
Currently on a specialised sirrus elite with flat bars....nearly went for a mtb hard tail next....but realise I'll be mainly on road.

Thanks in advance
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I’d spend the extra £350 for the Carbon Ultegra, if for no other reason than for the hydros which are much better than cable actuation, which require constant adjustment if you want a consistent feel and good modulation.
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Thanks American Templar :)
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cpark

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I agree with AmericanTemplar.
I love my Xtrail with Di2 and Hydro disc brake.
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Too bad you are in UK, I would've sold my X-trail to you, as I have listed it on eBay.... IMG_1057.jpg 
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