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Zurichman

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The 2016 Tamland 1 came with the Clement(now Donnley)MSO 40 mm tires the kicker was they were not tubeless ready tires although I was able to get the front set up tubeless but not the back.

price on it at the time was $749n+ $49 tax

Price on my Roker Comp was $1652 with the Corporate price and the save 5. Using the save 5 saves you sales tax.

Not sure what Raleigh is doing really as on one hand they stop making the Roker which has great reviews and yet they came out with all these Willard models. The other thingy is yeah we are getting the bikes at great prices but lots of the Raleigh dealers have found out about the Corporate pricing and them selling them cheap to us and have dropped them. The Tamland when I bought it the dealer wanted to sell it to me for $1300. I had to take both bikes to him for final assembly. On the Tamland I didn't know how to put on the front caliper and on the Roker it had the bent derailleur so that was a warranty issue. I couldn't tell my Raleigh dealer what I paid for either bike even though he kept asking. He sales lots of Raleigh bikes but not any gravel bikes.

I see that some of their project people have left them and went over to form/help Noble bike get off the ground but with them being a new start up Company guessing their pricing can't be as competitive as Raleigh is right now.

Just hoping Raleigh stays in the gravel bike game.


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My Willard 3 will be here Wednesday! This will be my do everything bike! I was torn between this and the Tamland 1. 
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Just got my Willard 3 put together! 95% complete out the box was nice if wasn’t for brake cable. Someone routed the front bake cable behind the fork where it would rub on the tire. I had to remove front brake and re route it straight down.

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Enjoy the new bike.  I'm really liking mine.  Yeah, the brake cable stumped me too as to why they would run it that way.  


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Just got my Willard 3 put together! 95% complete out the box was nice if wasn’t for brake cable. Someone routed the front bake cable behind the fork where it would rub on the tire. I had to remove front brake and re route it straight down.


Good looking bike! 

I was able to pick mine up last weekend. I had some bad luck with it right out of the gate, I ended up breaking a chain link a quarter mile into my first ride. Raleigh was good about it and sent me a new one out right away and it's back up and running as of today. 

For those who might be between sizes like I am, I'm happy I went with the 56cm. I'm 181-182cm tall but I have a slightly shorter torso and wingspan. It feels similar to my 2012 Giant Defy M/L. I love having wider tires that I can hop curbs and ride on the crappy local roads without fear of folding a wheel like I did with the Defy. 
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How are the HED wheels on the Willard 3?

I am considering this one but the low spoke wheels turn me off being 190 lbs and fairly strong/aggressive rider. The fuji jari 1.3 comes with 32 spoke Stans rims (albeit $400 more expensive also with 2x 105 instead of 1x).

I am ok with trying a 1x drivetrain but not very confident with the wheels on the Willard...



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I got two blocks before I broke the chain on mine. I will be contacting Raleigh shortly. I spliced the link to get some riding in, it was fun riding. I’m still getting use to riding a bike my size. I’m 6’3 and ordered to 60cm. All my previous bikes were closer to 56cm (used or Walmart 700c).
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How are the HED wheels on the Willard 3?

I am considering this one but the low spoke wheels turn me off being 190 lbs and fairly strong/aggressive rider.


28 straight gauge spokes connected to a good rim? Nothing to worry about as long as the build quality is okay. If not, any local shop can tension them perfectly.
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28 straight gauge spokes connected to a good rim? Nothing to worry about as long as the build quality is okay. If not, any local shop can tension them perfectly.


I agree with dangle, unless you plan to bike pack with lots of weight, 28 spokes is sufficient.  Hubs are non-descript novatechs, but rims are nice, wide inside and come with rim tape and tubeless valve stems are in the box.
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Hey all, I picked up a Raleigh Willard 3 in part thanks to some of the useful information and opinions in this thread. So far it's been a fantastic choice for a do everything bike. I've only put about 50 miles on it but the bike feels great on and off pavement. I didn't realize how much fun of a bike it'd be to take down some less than ideal, poorly maintained paths. The bike just eats up the bumps whilst staying nimble and responsive.

Only additions to the bike so far are the Shimano A530 SPD dual-use pedals (not pictured). Setup of the bike went very smoothly and tuning the 1x drivetrain was very easy after watching a couple YouTube videos.

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Anybody have luck going tubeless with the stock rims and tires?
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I just got my Willard 3 delivered today. I'm having some second thoughts after seeing the paint. It appears to be a matte finish. I'm worried about durability. My full suspension bike is matte black and seems to be suceptible to rubbing and scratches. I'd rather not have to cover the whole thing in tape. How is the paint holding up for those of you that have had it for a bit? Are there any problems with paint chipping when rocks fly up?
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Anybody have luck going tubeless with the stock rims and tires?


I have read mixed things on this forum about being able to.  I have not tried but the inside of the tire is coated like a tubeless tire, but don't know if the bead would hold up.  On other forums, I saw where a couple of people had non tubeless MSOs blow off the rims, but that was I believe the older Weinman made rim, not the HED.
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I just got my Willard 3 delivered today. I'm having some second thoughts after seeing the paint. It appears to be a matte finish. I'm worried about durability. My full suspension bike is matte black and seems to be susceptible to rubbing and scratches. I'd rather not have to cover the whole thing in tape. How is the paint holding up for those of you that have had it for a bit? Are there any problems with paint chipping when rocks fly up?


I've only got about 300 miles on my Willard, but have no paint chips on the downtube or shoe marks on the chainstays or seatstays and I have size 12 shoes.  I did run protective tape where the cables go around the headtube and also down the fork leg, but other than that, nowhere else.  The matte does hold dirt and dust, but so far so good with no paint chips.  

I don't think I'd stress too much about paint durability.  It's a fun bike that I know will get banged up, just because I now explore more roads and off the beaten path places than I would ever have on a road bike.  
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First post, but I figured someone else out there would like to know about the 2018 Raleigh Willard 3 so here it is.  

I bought it from Raleigh on a crazy sale.  I ordered it on a Thursday and it was delivered the following Tuesday.  I was concerned about derailleur damage because of the posts of others and their experiences.  However, this bike was packaged and protected better than any bike I have seen in a box.   

This is the fourth bike I've put together, so I wasn't concerned about the build.  

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Just a cover piece, not a box within a box.

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This is a size 60, so it took up the entire box.

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Foam blocks held on with velcro on the rear derailleur and the front tire against the frame.

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Side view of derailleur protection.

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Handy box, with tubeless valves.  

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Nice crankset with a sticker I thought this was a nice touch.   Yes there was one for the other side for those who struggle with installing and removing pedals.  
 
As you can see, the packaging was nice.  There were pieces of foam and velcro straps where any piece touched the frame or box, ie rear derailleur, front tire, etc. 

Anyway, the build went smoothly, the only issue I had was the front brake cable was run under the down tube, which I re-routed to the front side of the headtube. Not sure why it was done that way, but no big deal. 

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The rear derailleur didn't need any adjustments at all, and so far with the neighborhood shakedown ride, I am liking the 1x gearing.  This is my first time using SRAM road stuff, but I don't foresee it being a problem.  Click, release, it drops, click, push, it moves up.  Bingo.

Overall, I am impressed with this bike and the component selection.  Here is the ready to ride shot.  This bike is bright, I mean highlighter yellow bright.   

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I'll post some obligatory ride pics soon.  

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Beautiful bike!  I just ordered one based on your review and impressions (really helpful)!

I too live in SC (Bluffton) and am going to use it to try and stitch together some dirt connector roads to make some loops.  As you may know, there isn't much good (and safe) riding around here.

Thanks for posting!
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I just ordered one from Adventuron yesterday for $914.99. I’m 6’4” and needed a 62cm but the Raleigh site said they were out of stock. Apparently not!

I was seriously looking at the Trek Crossrip but would’ve wanted the top model at more than twice the price of the Willard 3. The only thing I’really, really wish it had is hydraulic discs. But for that price I can deal with it.

I’m very happy about the 1x - living in FL I really wanted it.

And it’s a sweet looking bike! I have some back issues so really hoping the geometry works.

Glad I found this thread. Thanks for posting it...
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Looking at the price of this bike and the specs it looks to be a great bike for gravel riding. Does anyone know if a Lauf Grit fork would work on this bike? 

 

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I don’t know the answer to the Lauf Grit fork. I had never seen one before. VERY cool.

I built up my bike 2 days ago and am still getting it dialed in. The wheels are a little out of true and the quick release on the front axle may be broken. I also can’t get the front brake adjusted so it doesn’t rub on the disc.

Feels good riding aroind the block so far. I ordered a pair of Schwalbe G One Speeds in 700x38c for it, and also put a Selle Royal Respiro Athletic saddle on it.

Pedals next, pics to follow!
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I think I might be able to help with your wheel/brake issue.  When you unpack the wheel, there's a round black plastic protector on there.  When you pull that off, there's a spacer that should remain on the wheel but that may (as it did in my case) come off and stay with the protector.  When you go to install your front wheel, you won't be able to get a positive lock on the thru axle without the spacer being in the correct place. The spacer sits between the wheel and the inside of the fork.  What also happens is that since the wheel is not correctly located, your front brakes will rub.  If after you install the spacer and get a positive lock on the thru axle you find that the brake is still rubbing, adjusting the front brake is fairly straightforward.  Here is a video I used.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3uCGRAWG2M.  But I think the real issue is that you might be missing the spacer that goes in the wheel.  I bought 2 of these, the Willard and he Amelia (for my wife) and when unpacking both, the spacer came off and stayed with the packing material.  I hope you still have this.  Otherwise, contact Raleigh.

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@RunNride this sounds right. It would also be why I have some issues with the quick release.

As to whether I have it that’s a good question. Any chance you could post a pic? Or explain what it looks like?

Thank you!
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I’m guessing “black plastic ring” :) This is a bit of a bummer because I already threw out the trash bag that would have had it in it.

I’ll call Raleigh today. I’m SO glad you told me about this. Thanks!
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It's actually a metal ring.  I'm sure Raleigh has heard of this before because it seems to me to be a poorly designed approach.  The ring will come off in your hand under little pressure.  So you need to be careful in a wheel removal or putting the bike in a front fork bike carrier, etc.  I was on the phone with them yesterday about my bottom bracket which already has water and sand in it ( I don't think it was pressed in correctly) and their customer service is very good.
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Definitely sounds like a poor design. What if you want to upgrade the wheelset?
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Definitely sounds like a poor design. What if you want to upgrade the wheelset?


I'm not sure what you guys are talking about with the spacer.  Pictures would be great if you can post some.  Regarding the wheel upgrade, I changed wheels to a set of Boyd Altamonts and haven't had a problem with alignment, skewer loosing, etc.  
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