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BrownDog

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Does anyone here know where I can buy the new gravel king slick that is tubeless 700x38? I can find the old non tubeless but not the new.

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You could email them or ask them on Facebook.  They respond to me most of the time unless I'm telling them to make something in a weird size.
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Panaracer has a very mixed marketing strategy. Both Compass and Soma sell Panaracer manufactured tires under their own labels in the USA. The Compass Barlow Pass TC fits your spec's  . I have some experience with the 35 mm Bon Jon version of these tires in the extra light version mounted tubeless. If you want a tubeless install, these are tricky - especially the extra light casing versions. Because the casings are very supple, you almost certainly need a compressor to seat them. Also a good dose of high quality sealant. You'll then have to baby them for a week or so, until the sealant works its way into all of the micro pores in the casing. However, if you are willing to go through with the tubeless install hassle, these tires will reward you with outstanding performance. I've been riding mine for over 1,000 miles, mostly on unpaved NH hardpack roads without any issues.
Ooops - Browndog. I was half asleep. You know all of this from prior postings! I haven't had as much trouble with my BJ's as you. BTW, I'm down on HHI for the winter. I'll probably headed up to Columbia to visit some relatives. Are you still in SC?
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Just sent you a PM.
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Hi BD - Thanks. I replied to your PM this AM. BTW, I just purchased a pair of 38 MM G-One's to replace my 35 mm BJ's. As I said earlier, I've had a better experience with the BJ's than you. But occasionally I'll hit a patch of freshly re-graded dirt or rough gravel. The BJ's make me nervous in these situations. I think that the G-Ones will give me better traction and security without much loss in performance. I'll probably get to test the G-One's on the beach on HHI.
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Hi BD - Thanks. I replied to your PM this AM. BTW, I just purchased a pair of 38 MM G-One's to replace my 35 mm BJ's. As I said earlier, I've had a better experience with the BJ's than you. But occasionally I'll hit a patch of freshly re-graded dirt or rough gravel. The BJ's make me nervous in these situations. I think that the G-Ones will give me better traction and security without much loss in performance. I'll probably get to test the G-One's on the beach on HHI.


I would be interested to see how they compare.  the 60mm G-one has some of the lowest rolling resistance ever tested at bicyclerollingresistance. com  (~10 watts at 18mph).

The G-one speed 60mm  is a nightmare on anything wet and non paved.  Fat and slippery is a bad combo (32mm slicks would be better as they would at least try to dig in and track straight).   The g-one all around seems to be fine for what it is.  

Every time I look at their website, there is a new permunation of the g-one (x-one and/or s-one).  Something for everyone...
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I would be interested to see how they compare.  the 60mm G-one has some of the lowest rolling resistance ever tested at bicyclerollingresistance. com  (~10 watts at 18mph).



Do you mean the Big One LiteSkin? 
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Do you mean the Big One LiteSkin? 


The Big One was renamed G-One speed last year.
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What he said.  

Schwalbe has updated their naming to be consistent

Pro-one for skinny tired road bikes
X-one for Cyclocross
G-one for Gravel
  • Speed for super fast minimum tread gravel like tires (i.e. much larger than traditional road tire
  • All around (well, all around for Europe and the Brittish isles).
  • Bite for a little more, well, bite

https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/racing_tires
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Didn't know that, thanks!

The Gravelking slicks are starting to pop up in shops. I just checked bike-discount.de and the tyres only cost €35. That's so cheap!

https://www.bike-components.de/en/Panaracer/GravelKing-TR-28-Faltreifen-Modell-2018-p61146/

Are these supposed to be very similar to Compass and Soma since those are made by Panaracer too? The weight is just as low but the Panaracers are so much cheaper.

I'm a bit afraid to try super light and thin tyres in the Compass price range but I might go for these. 

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They're a completely different casing than Compasses. The sidewalls are thicker so they're a harsher ride. The tread's probably thicker too.

That said I'm sure they're a great tire and will last longer than Compasses and for less money. They're probably easier and safer to set up Tubeless, too.
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They're a completely different casing than Compasses. The sidewalls are thicker so they're a harsher ride. The tread's probably thicker too. That said I'm sure they're a great tire and will last longer than Compasses and for less money. They're probably easier and safer to set up Tubeless, too.


The listed weight is 320g, how did they do that? [eek]
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Wishful thinking? I dunno, buy some and weigh them for us! I don't have a bike for them but in the spring I may convince a friend to get a set.
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I've been buying too much bike stuff lately and my current tyres have very few miles on them but it's tempting... [frown] 
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I think Santa is brining me a pair. I will weight the as soon as I can.
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322 and 323 weight
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Awesome, thanks. Let us know how they feel when you get em out on the road
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That's great! If it's not a big ask could you measure the width and more importantly the height of the tyre, from the top of the rim to the top of the tyre? 

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They set up very easy as all of my Gravel Kings in the past have. One measures 37.9 and the other 38.4. I will measure the width and height tomorrow. It will be interesting to see if the get any bigger after they sit over night.
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Setup on I9 I25’s they measure 37.9 and 38.4. 30mm from rim to top of tire.
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Thanks so much!

That's so low, my 37 Vittoria Voyager Hypers are around 38mm wide and 35mm tall on 20mm ID rims.

These should fit no problem. [cool] Now I just need to decide if I should go with something a bit heavier but more tough or go with the Panaracers. (In reality I should just keep riding my current tyres for a while.)

I'm not a weight weenie at all (steel frame + fork) but if I went with the Panaracers tubeless I would save a bucket of weight compared to my Voyager Hypers with tubes... Problem is where I live we don't have smooth gravel roads at all so if I ride offroad it's usually a bit more tough dirt roads or mountain trails, more like mountain bike territory than gravel. That's why i'm a bit afraid of more fragile super light tyres. 

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FYI...  Panaracer Gravel Kings for $30 at Excel Sports in Boulder, CO.  
https://www.excelsports.com/promo/?p=panaracer-gravelking-tire-sale

I'm just a longtime customer...
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Yup, Just ordered another pair of the 35 SK(the pair I have setup tubeless and quite light for the size) and one pair of the 32slicks(might try to setup tubeless)as a damp weather road and light gravel riding, see how they compare to the Specialized Roiboix 32 slicks I've been using for most of this year as a good rain/damp road tire and some gravel, so far a pretty good tire, but maybe the panaracer might be a little nicer

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FYI...  Panaracer Gravel Kings for $30 at Excel Sports in Boulder, CO.  
https://www.excelsports.com/promo/?p=panaracer-gravelking-tire-sale

I'm just a longtime customer...


I picked up a pair of these to replace my Clement MSO 700x38 which are almost done.
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Had my first ride on the 32MM GK slicks, was able to set them up tubeless on Belgium+ wheels, the weight came to 281&283G and they measured out right at about 32.5mm, the 35MM Sk version is around 380G and 38-39MM on my Stans crest wheels(newer version). The ride on the 32 slicks yesterday was mostly the wet road ride with a short gravel section, I ran about 36PSI front and 42PSi rear, they ride really nice, and supple, my previous similar tire on this wheel set is the Specialized Roubauix 32MM tires which are larger, measure about 35MM on these wheels, and close to 100G per tire heavier, though I suspect they are tougher than the Panaracer tires, (I didn't get a flat in 1,500 or so miles of mostly road miles on the Specialized tires)The specialized tires also have a pretty good ride, and they both have pretty good traction on wet roads.  The panaracer has a somewhat nicer ride and casing though probably not as good flat protection, with a nice noticeable decrease in weight, the specialized tires are also pretty good, though a little heavy but with a fairly good ride and good traction, a lighter grippier tire than the more commuting/touring type tires like the Schwalbe Marathon or Specialized armadillo tires.  I rode a pair of older Specialized armadillo 35MM tires for awhile and found them to be very heavy(almost 700G!) with not the best traction, from a harder longer lasting rubber compound.  
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