Volsung
So after about 7500 miles I was experiencing too much BB flex in my Vaya which resulted in damage to my rear hubs.  I needed something with a thru axle, shorter stays, and was a bit stiffer.  I ended up with an Otso Warakin.  Anyone have any experience with one?  Any tips or tricks?  Wheels are in the shop getting converted to T/A and I need full length housing so I can't finish it.  These are the only two pics I've taken of it. 

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Volsung

The only semi-real two problems I've noticed are the chainstay bridge bolt hole wasn't faced super well and the cable guide bolt being too long and interfering with my BB install, as shown in the second pic.  For fake problems, the only thing uglier than the gray fork is the seatpost collar.

What are people using for fenders?  I test fit my 29er Planet Bike Cascadias (65mm) and they fit easily in the frame and kinda in the fork.  I'd have to really bend the hell out of the brackets to get them to line up to the fender mount holes which are located mid blade on the inside.

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ljsmith
You damaged a rear hub because of BB flex?  Do you weigh 500 lbs?
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Volsung
Naw, 195. I think there's something wrong with my left pedal stroke. It's also my lead leg when I start from a stop. I've broken XT left pedals, rounded out the bearings on a Chris King hub, messed up the axle on a White Industries, cracked a spindle on an Ultegra crankset, and most of my frames have marks from the drive side crank arm hitting the chainstay.

You'd think with problems like that I could pistol squat a school bus but instead I just spend money on bike repairs.
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jruhlen1980
No experience with the bike but I think the more important thing here is that we need more pictures of the cat!
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pauley
Nice cat. Is that a Maine Coon?
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Volsung
She's just an ex-abandoned good looking mutt from the shelter.
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Sometimes she doesn't have parts
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As for the bike, my Chorus shifters and derailleurs should arrive tomorrow.  I'll need new housing and those Jagwire elite links get pricey quick when you go full length, but they're oh so cool.  I'm also waiting on White Industries to send out some thru axle conversion kits and then I'll be rolling and post some pics.
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Volsung

Bike's finally finished.  22.2 pounds with an uncut steer tube, 2 bottle cages, pedals, and bar end mirrors (for Fredly commuting).  That's about the same as my Vaya when I had a carbon fork on it.  I think if I swapped out my Thomson x4 stem, got new cranks, took off my pedals/cages/light mounts/etc it'd be right around 19.

Ride quality wise it's a lot stiffer than the Vaya, so I shouldn't have the same hub issues I mentioned before.  I find myself pushing a harder gear than before.  No toe overlap on the 47mm rake fork on a 56 with 44c tires.  I have the rear wheel in the far back position (440 chain stay length) and it feels a bit sportier than the Vaya, even with the carbon fork.

I didn't get any pics because as soon as I got home from my 16 mile commute to the gym the wife riled up our bees and I had to go inside.

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Volsung
Non drive side pic of our high quality bike lanes.  Chorus shifters/derailleurs, Ultegra crankset and cassette.  If you guys haven't tried the Ritchey EvoMax bars you're missing out.
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500 mile update!

 

My knee has bad weeks and good weeks, so my mileage is all over the place.  I think I've ridden enough to form a general opinion though.

PROS-
It's pretty compliant for my weight of 200ish lbs (but then again, I'm running 42c compasses so anything would be)
It has massive clearance (probably 2.1s comfortably.  The new Hiili fork that I haven't put on yet can take a 2.35.
It's a lot stiffer in the BB than my old Vaya, so my lopsided leg strength hasn't caused any issues.
Stainless so it shouldn't rust, but I'm having a few knee surgeries this fall and will be out most of the winter, so I won't be able to test that for sure.

CONS-
The chainstays flare out too close to the BB.  I wear size 46/46.5 shoes and my cleats as far back as they go.  Bigger shoes or cleats up near your toes and you may get so many heel strikes that the bike is unrideable.
The cable guide thing under the BB doesn't fit the derailleur cable housing (according to my mechanic) so i had to use a zip tie.  That's pretty amateur, if true.
The seatpost clamp is ugly.  This isn't a subjective opinion.  It really is.

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Volsung
To make it 6 self posts in a row, here's my cat again.  She got a haircut since the temp's going to be in the 90s until Minnesota melts.
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1600 miles in and I updated it with shinier parts to go with the white crap that'll stick around for 6 months.

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owly
Cat upgraded also?
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ridemagnetic
Been deliberating a Campy/White build like this for a Flaanimal. What's your gearing? Did you pull shift levers and mech out of the left lever? 
A great set of wheels will make an average frame ride better. It doesn't work the other way around.  ~ridemagnetic
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Owly-  My wife and I have 4 cats in a Brady Bunch type situation.  It's kind of annoying because whenever I take a picture outside there's a cat in the shot, then when I go to sell bike parts on FB the post gets flagged as trying to sell an animal, which is against their rules.  It takes patience and timing.

Ridemagnetic- 40 front and an 11-32 Ultegra cassette.  I may try a 34t cassette when this wears out, and if that doesn't work I'll put on a Wolf Tooth Roadlink.  Full length regular housing on Campy shifts terribly.  I have the same grouppo on my road bike and it's fast and just clicks.  It's a VAST improvement with these Elite Links by Jagwire, but still not quite the same.

And no, I haven't taken out the internal stuff yet.  As it stands it gives me something to play with when I'm stopped at stop lights and the symmetry is good for my OCD.

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ridemagnetic
Noted... My other option is a Shimano XT Di2 TRP Hylex hack for the climber switch. But the same White Industries 1x. Either way, I sure do wish White made elliptical rings. Can't imagine their direct mount pattern is open source, so we'll never see anything from Wolf Tooth or Absoluteblack. Ah, [deep sigh] I dunno...  




A great set of wheels will make an average frame ride better. It doesn't work the other way around.  ~ridemagnetic
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Volsung

I'm bumping my post because it's a great bike and Otso dropped the price by a crapton.  Frame, fork, headset, and ugly seatpost collar for 1099.

 

https://otsocycles.com/products/warakin-frameset

 

EDIT-  I'm not affiliated with Otso in any way other than I once borrowed Brendan's multi tool.

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GSPChilliwack
That's a temptation I really don't need. As I want a bike for cross and CX, the adjustable wheelbase would be great.
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tdilf
The Warakin looks like an awesome and versatile bike.
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jhueber1
Might have to jump on this, the other bikes I've been tossing around wanting to build up are supposedly unavailable for a little while, Cosmic Stallion or Midnight special.  
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Volsung
I broke a fender mount on some cobbles so I took off all my bags, cages, pedals, etc to clean it.  20.9 lbs with 48mm tires.  I blame the Brooks.
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garciawork
Nice lookin' bike! Had I known about that price drop I would have considered one before I bought my RLT steel (also on sale), but I am really happy with that bike. 

Hope you get some good rides in prior to the surgeries this winter! 
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classrc
I'll resurrect this...

Seriously debating one of these Warakins, with their custom 105/hydro builds.  I do ride with 46 shoes, with cleats somewhere near the middle...  I'd need a 58cm frame.  Think there would be an issue with heel strikes?  The other option I'm looking at is the 2019 All City Cosmic Stallion, similar build (105, but mech disks)...  Thanks!
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Volsung
It depends on your crank length probably.  I switched to 170mm cranks for my knees and eliminated the issue.  It's not really THAT big of a problem and is more rubbing than striking, but the fact that you can rest your heal on the chainstay annoys me from a design perspective. 

I'd still buy one over an All City. 
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