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Gerard Vroomen
Well, the geo chart height indicator also shows that the Large is 5'10-6'2, so that also includes your height. Maybe you missed that. Just like the Warbird geo chart also says you may fit the 57.5cm frame. Anyway, that rough height indicator is just that. Which frame is the best fit depends in the end on your riding position more than your exact height.

Back to the numbers, the Large UP is 4mm lower and 5mm longer than the 56cm Warbird, so very close (5mm longer, not 6mm as some might think looking at the reach figures due to stack/reach interconnection). The Medium UP is 20mm shorter. So the 56cm is a lot closer to the Large than to the UP, and unless people ride around on a 56cm Warbird with a 70mm stem (then indeed I wouldn't say "hey, why not put a 65mm stem on your UP) but barring an already short stem, this means that people riding a 56cm Warbird fit a Large UP, and usually not a medium.

Gerard Vroomen
co-founder/owner OPEN
co-owner 3T

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ljsmith
Gerard Vroomen wrote:
Well, the geo chart height indicator also shows that the Large is 5'10-6'2, so that also includes your height. Maybe you missed that. Just like the Warbird geo chart also says you may fit the 57.5cm frame. Anyway, that rough height indicator is just that. Which frame is the best fit depends in the end on your riding position more than your exact height.

Back to the numbers, the Large UP is 4mm lower and 5mm longer than the 56cm Warbird, so very close (5mm longer, not 6mm as some might think looking at the reach figures due to stack/reach interconnection). The Medium UP is 20mm shorter. So the 56cm is a lot closer to the Large than to the UP, and unless people ride around on a 56cm Warbird with a 70mm stem (then indeed I wouldn't say "hey, why not put a 65mm stem on your UP) but barring an already short stem, this means that people riding a 56cm Warbird fit a Large UP, and usually not a medium.


Ive been riding for 30 years, it could be that I know which frame size I would need better than you do. Rather than let you put me on a bigger frame I’ll just go with a frame that actually fits. In reality, with the UP I would want a frame between your Medium and large sizes, but of course it would need more stack height. So when I was looking for a bike, I looked at the UP and quickly crossed it off my list as you really don’t have a bike that fits the way I want. For others with different needs than me it might be perfect. FYI, I use a 90mm Shock Stop Stem on my 56 Warbird. They do not make the Shock Stop in smaller than 90mm, so that’s not going to work for me on your 57cm UP.
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HollyBoni
The new Warbird comes with slightly shorter stems. Nothing crazy tho. Compard to last years model they slightly increased the top tube length and slackened the head angle to 70.75 degrees on most sizes.
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Involuntarysoul
Well, the geo chart height indicator also shows that the Large is 5'10-6'2, so that also includes your height. Maybe you missed that. Just like the Warbird geo chart also says you may fit the 57.5cm frame. Anyway, that rough height indicator is just that. Which frame is the best fit depends in the end on your riding position more than your exact height.

Back to the numbers, the Large UP is 4mm lower and 5mm longer than the 56cm Warbird, so very close (5mm longer, not 6mm as some might think looking at the reach figures due to stack/reach interconnection). The Medium UP is 20mm shorter. So the 56cm is a lot closer to the Large than to the UP, and unless people ride around on a 56cm Warbird with a 70mm stem (then indeed I wouldn't say "hey, why not put a 65mm stem on your UP) but barring an already short stem, this means that people riding a 56cm Warbird fit a Large UP, and usually not a medium.


any chance to have a frame with less reach and more stack? for example have a 56R and 56T with 10mm taller stack and 10mm shorter reach, that would be my perfect frame
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Gerard Vroomen
Always a chance, we're WIDE OPEN to suggestions

Gerard Vroomen
co-founder/owner OPEN
co-owner 3T

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chas
Yep, the UP looks kinda low for you.   I'm 5'9" and have a bike with similar Geometry to the UP (medium) That stack is low - even with all the available spacers (30mm on my bike). I'm older than you but the only reason I can get away with such low stack is that I still do a lot of velodrome racing.  Still, at the highest position my bars must be 2'3" lower than my seat.  I've gotten used to it, but it takes a lot of seat time to be comfortable in that position.    
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s0ldats
just putting it out there... my next year's frame purchase is going to be an UP.

Always a chance, we're WIDE OPEN to suggestions


please release a fork with front rack mount options!!
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Koyote
I took a quick test ride on one of OPEN bikes, and it felt light and quick. If I could ride that long/low geometry for very long, I would be all over that bike. But at my age, with my back, I need something a bit more relaxed.
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dangle
Where there is a difference is that we don't make really big frames, we don't make what would be the equivalent of a 59 or 61cm frame. We top out with the XL which is like a 58cm in comparison to most road geometry frames.


You have a fairly big XL though. Not many 58s have that much reach. My 58 RXCs are nearly a cm shorter reach and stack and are great with a 120 stem.  I would LOVE to find one of your XL Classic Unbeaten Paths in orange and use a 110. You have made some cool updates, but I just haven't gotten over the first orange U.P. that I saw.
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Gerard Vroomen
dangle wrote:


I just haven't gotten over the first orange U.P. that I saw.


Sorry about that, there are support groups to deal with that though. 

Gerard Vroomen
co-founder/owner OPEN
co-owner 3T

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dangle


Sorry about that, there are support groups to deal with that though. 


Ebay? 
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