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DarKris

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I have a Giant Toughroad GX and it has a stated 50mm tire clearance, and I would say this is accurate. I am currently running Clement MSO 50mm on 23mm WTB rims, and at 40-45 PSI the tires at the tread measure around 53-54mm which, at the chainstays, leaves about 2-3mm of clearance.

I also have the WTB Nine Lines which have a narrower tread width, but has higher rolling resistance. I was wondering if anyone had recommendations for durable 29er tires measuring ~50mm or less that are tubeless compatible when mounted at similar pressures? 
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Soma Cazadero or Schwalbe G-One

Or try out the tire finder on the main page
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45 PSI

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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45 PSI

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Did I mention that I’m a ~370lb rider?
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Soma Cazadero or Schwalbe G-One

Or try out the tire finder on the main page


The Cazaderos might work for what I’d want. The main reason I made a thread is to find measured witdths of mounted tires since in my example the measured width of the MSOs is greater than the printed width on the sidewalls. So if someone had a 2.1 inch tire that actually measured 50-51mm when mounted I would be interested in that tire for future reference.
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I think Schwalbe Thunder Burts in 2.1 are like 50ish.  I've heard they run a bit narrow.

 

At 370 the Cazaderos might not be ideal.  I have heard that at 200 I'm at the upper end of the Compass weight limit, but Compass would never admit to something like that.  In their minds, their tires are perfect and if you have problems you're bicycle cycling wrong.  Somas are burlier and don't cut as many corners to save weight, but they're still made by Panaracer with the same sidewalls.  Also the 50mm Cazadero is rumored to be 47.  I dunno if that's actually noticeable, but I'd probably think and obsess over it.

 

Anyway I'd go with Schwalbe.  One of my mtb buddies is about your size as he has great luck with them.


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Or maybe the Soma Shikoro 48 if you don't need tread.  They're a bit more bombproof than I need but I bet they'd be great for you.
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I think Schwalbe Thunder Burts in 2.1 are like 50ish.  I've heard they run a bit narrow.

 

At 370 the Cazaderos might not be ideal.  I have heard that at 200 I'm at the upper end of the Compass weight limit, but Compass would never admit to something like that.  In their minds, their tires are perfect and if you have problems you're bicycle cycling wrong.  Somas are burlier and don't cut as many corners to save weight, but they're still made by Panaracer with the same sidewalls.  Also the 50mm Cazadero is rumored to be 47.  I dunno if that's actually noticeable, but I'd probably think and obsess over it.

 

Anyway I'd go with Schwalbe.  One of my mtb buddies is about your size as he has great luck with them.




I had the Thubderburts in 27.5 and while I liked the tread pattern I wasn’t too keen on how it felt thin/not as puncture resistant. I had the Snakeskin version and that still felt pretty thin.
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I just ordered the TBs for $25 (claimed MSRP is $97?)

https://www.jensonusa.com/Schwalbe-Thunder-Burt-29-Tire?_br_psugg_q=schwalbe+thunder+burt

(there is a 15% off code at the top of the page)

 

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I think Schwalbe Thunder Burts in 2.1 are like 50ish.  I've heard they run a bit narrow.

The 57c tires measured 54mm on

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/mtb-reviews/schwalbe-thunder-burt-snakeskin-2015

I’ll have to mount up the 54c tires and see where they are at

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I had the Thubderburts in 27.5 and while I liked the tread pattern I wasn’t too keen on how it felt thin/not as puncture resistant. I had the Snakeskin version and that still felt pretty thin.

The ones above are “race guard” which is their “heavy duty” race tire with extra puncture protection.  It weighs about 50 grams more than the snakeskin & light skin models.

 

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The ones above are “race guard” which is their “heavy duty” race tire with extra puncture protection.  It weighs about 50 grams more than the snakeskin & light skin models.

 



I also ride about 60/40 pavement/off road. Any idea how long the tread will hold up?
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Update: They were $50 bucks for two, and free 2 day shipping to NY addresses. For the price I just went for it. We'll see how they fair over time.
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Don't forget that's on a 17C rim, that's pretty darn narrow. The OP has 23mm ID rims, that would make them wider, probably true to size.
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Update: They were $50 bucks for two, and free 2 day shipping to NY addresses. For the price I just went for it. We'll see how they fair over time.


Can't beat that!  It does look like old stock as the don't classify tires as tubless easy anymore (nor to they have raceguard in that size).  Still - its a good by.

I've had some knobby tires wear pretty quickly on the road (and quicker on a double power (2/3 HP bike)).  But I kind of like it when the center knobs are worn down a bit for road riding.

In my case, I'm using this as a front tire - so it may never wear out.  ;-)
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Double Update: The tires came in. They are the EVO Raceguard version with liteskin sidewalls, which is important because I struggled to get these tires aired up tubeless. I tried removing the valve core and I used my compressor, but no good. I have them currently mounted with tubes at 45 PSI and they measure on my i23s at 53mm at the casing and 52 at the tread blocks. I have about 4-3mm of clearance between the chainstay of my bike when mounted.

I'm hoping that letting the tires stretch with tubes in will help the bead set into the rim, otherwise I might not be happy [frown] . It did say the tires were Tubeless ready, though I'm guessing it doesn't mean setup will be easy.

OMEGA Update: welp despite Jenson saying that the tire is tubeless ready, the actual tire itself doesn’t state that it’s tubeless compatible, and on Schwalbe’s website they don’t state that Liteskin tires are tubeless compatible either. Well then, I guess I have a $50 pair of backup tires...




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...on Schwalbe’s website they don’t state that Liteskin tires are tubeless compatible either....


Old Pacestar EVO Liteskin user: definitely tubeless compatible. 
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Old Pacestar EVO Liteskin user: definitely tubeless compatible. 


Did your tires look like this? These don’t say “Tubeless Ready” like the other Schwalbe tubeless tires.

STILL NOT DONE WITH THESE UPDATES:

So I have good news and bad news. After mounting with a tube and leaving overnight, I was able to mount the tires tubeless with my compressor with the cores removed. While the front tire held air perfectly, the rear tire was leaking air all around the sidewalls on both sides. it was to the point where I could not pump the tire up to 45psi without having air constantly leak from the sidewalls. I could switch it to the front but that would require un-mounting and re-mounting with an inner tube, again.

Last One: After 3 hours, both tires lost all their air. Well that sucks but for the price I guess I can't be mad I guess. 

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Ugh, really?

Mine have not come in yet, how did you get yours so fast?

I have some other tires that are not tubeless but I run tubeless anyway. generally I run them for a week with a tube to shape them, and then it may take 24 hours through a week to get the sealant to really seal the tire well. using an inexpensive skinny stripper, practically guarantees that the tire will seal well and inflate with a hand pump

Schwalbe terminology is super confusing, but these were clearly marked on the Jensen website as tubeless-ready
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Ugh, really?

Mine have not come in yet, how did you get yours so fast?

I have some other tires that are not tubeless but I run tubeless anyway. generally I run them for a week with a tube to shape them, and then it may take 24 hours through a week to get the sealant to really seal the tire well. using an inexpensive skinny stripper, practically guarantees that the tire will seal well and inflate with a hand pump

Schwalbe terminology is super confusing, but these were clearly marked on the Jensen website as tubeless-ready


So I live in NY state and they had a deal with free 2 day shipping to NY state.

I looked at the documentation that came with my tires and they did say tubeless ready, however because they are older tires I believe Schwalbe says the Liteskin tires are tubeless ready *at your own risk* as of now.

What I will say is that I had one of my tires seal tubeless fine with only minor holes in the sidewall, however it was still able to hold 45psi. My other tire was a nightmare with holes all around the sidewall on both sides that were near impossible to seal. I set that tire on front, got it to 35 psi, and tried riding on it for a few minutes. Over 2-5 minutes of riding I was still hearing air leaking from the sidewalls, and it got to a point where I almost slid out on a tight turn on concrete because the tire squirmed out after losing so much air over a short time.

What I will say is I had a 50/50 success rate setting these tires up tubeless. You might be lucky and have both of your tires be able to hold air well. Or if you don’t need your tires to hold more than 30psi...
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Schwalbe has too many versions of the same tire and it confuses resellers. The fear of getting the wrong one is enough to put me off on ordering any online.
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I definitely didn't get the "wrong" tires, it's just that the non-Snakeskin Schwalbes (Or the ones with the TLR-Tubeless Ready label on the sidewalls) are hit or miss to set up tubeless.
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Mine should come in today.  I'm just using it as a front tire (running 40mm rear), and will probably use it with a tube until I get a dedicated wheel for it.

I did a bit of research before buying them.  They look like old stock.   This is what I found:

 

1 x Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29" Tire
2.1", Pacestar, Tl-Ready, Raceguard
29x2.1
490 g
RaceGuard TL-Ready
11600566


The Tubeless Ready tires aren't available anymore and appear to be replaced by LiteSkin tires. The SnakeSkin versions now have a new "Tubeless Easy" label. It seems like Schwalbe is recommending the SnakeSkin tires if you want to go tubeless because of much easier set up. You should still be able to run the LiteSkins tubeless but set up isn't as easy.

The SnakeSkin part means this Thunder Burt has reinforced sidewalls and a 67 TPI carcass instead of the 127 TPI carcass of the LiteSkin tires.
Edit:  I assume this is for the lower price "performance line" which Jensen is now selling for $20 tire (and listing MSRP at $47 I think).


Snakeskin adds an additional reinforcement to the sidewalls.
Raceguard has a different composition, with added ply in the tread area. This gives a Raceguard tire better puncture protection but more rolling resistance.
Liteskin eschews either additional ply, so it has the lowest rolling resistance and least puncture protection.

From Schwalbe:
RaceGuard®
This belt was developed specially with racing in mind. A synthesis of special india rubber and several layers of nylon fabric offers very effective protection against penetration punctures. There is only a minimal increase in weight and rolling resistance of these tires.

SnakeSkin: A light and flexible carcass makes the tire highly resistant to scrubbing.

LiteSkin: Skin Tires have light, thin sidewalls. Advantages: Weight saving and reduced rolling resistance.

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