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Took a look at the bikes and gear and demoed a 2018 Stumpjumper Expert on the XC course. Great to see the festival is still going strong since I've been attending off and on for over twenty years. I went on Friday the 20th to beat the weekend crowds. Here's a gallery of some gravel bikes at Laguna Seca.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/OnSq2rGlWwVtZAKO2

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Thanks for posting these you have some very nice shots in there for sure. Renovo caught my eye, wood huh nice. You happen to notice if the Giant toughroad has ta’s? Errr Raleigh gone ebike for now.
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Trail Donk, Hell Yea!
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I am drawing a blank on some of the guys that left Raleigh to form their own Company.


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great eyecandy there! thanks for the pics
& thanks for the temptations
I for one, am totally underwhelmed by the magic carpet ride
however, best admit I never rode full suspension on mtb either and love hardtails
but gravel, seriously, if you need FS, just stop it
seems gravel is easily slipping down the convenient slope of easier, softer, smoother......

its stinking gravel road riding and thats why we do it

back on task...great pics of good stuff there
the allied and ritchey outback have me torn...i want both
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That Argon Dark Matter...oh my! Sexy bike! Probably have to sell my house to afford it but hey...
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I am drawing a blank on some of the guys that left Raleigh to form their own Company.


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https://www.noble-bikes.com/

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I am drawing a blank on some of the guys that left Raleigh to form their own Company.


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I knew something was up as soon as Raleigh started selling discounted bikes out the back warehouse door.
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I looked at the specs on their gravel bikes. They are including 2 40 oz. of Stans sealant and the valves with their bikes. Kind of cool eh?

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I looked at the specs on their gravel bikes. They are including 2 40 oz. of Stans sealant and the valves with their bikes. Kind of cool eh?

Zman


Two 4 ounce bottles not 40 ounce. Don't get too excited Zman. [wink] 
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Two 4 ounce bottles not 40 ounce. Don't get too excited Zman. [wink] 


I didn't think they made 40 ounce bottles.

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Great pic's!  Thanks so much for posting.

Gravel is definitely taking off...  The local shops say they're selling quite a few.  It wasn't long ago people looked at my '89 drop bar Stumpjumper as if I'd lost my mind.  I still have her and with the right tires she's quite fast! :-)   Fort Collins continues to grow rapidly and traffic is getting much much worse. Now when I explain (evangelize?) why I love gravel, so many people seem to get that "Aha!" moment.

Anyone doubting the virtues of suspension on a gravel bike should do the Rollins Pass road from Nederland (East side).  I rode it on a hardtail 29'er and was standing and wishing for full suspension the entire descent.   Yeah I get it, there are roads where suspension would be nice...  BUT I'll never be looking for a suspended gravel bike.  If I need FS I'll be on my mountain bike.  

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Gorgeous bikes! Thanks for the photos... 
Two very peripheral take-aways:
1) WTB gumwalls are quite popular!
2) What insane person would take one of those absolutely beautiful Renovo works of art on the gravel??? [confused]
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cool stuff!! Except for the ebikes of course, I hope they Samsung Galaxy 7 themselves
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Gorgeous bikes! Thanks for the photos... 
Two very peripheral take-aways:
1) WTB gumwalls are quite popular!
2) What insane person would take one of those absolutely beautiful Renovo works of art on the gravel??? [confused]


The Renovo gravel bike is the one I would have demoed if I had had the time.
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I like the muddy ones.

I have been commuting on an ebike for 4 years now (home brew).  But yeah, I don't use it when I want to go for a ride.
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Hi guys,

Noticed this thread and figured I would pitch in. I designed the Tamland, Willard and Roker for Raleigh. Actually I have to mention that GT put us on the right track there. I had never done a gravel bike before (this was 2012) and as so many other people I just figured we could take one of our Cyclocross bikes and call it a gravel bike. 

Our marketing guy Brian (Sally) Fornes knew what was up and he suggested we do a conference call with Guitar Ted to get the low down on what makes a Gravel bike a Gravel bike. During that call it became clear to me we had to start from scratch, not just rebadge a cross bike. Given the history that Raleigh had and the ability to prototype quickly in steel, we decided that we would do a steel bike first to test the new geometry and the new features. And so the Tamland was born. After the Tamland and being happy with our geometry and features we created the Willard and the Roker.

The company has gone through a lot of changes lately and in 2016 it was time for me to choose a different path. I left Raleigh and started doing independent design work. In the back of my mind I wanted to relaunch my own bike brand Noble Bikes and in my spare time I started developing bikes for my own brand.

Fast forward two years, we just relaunched Noble at Sea Otter and we will have two gravel bikes to start with. The carbon GX5 and the aluminum GX3. If you guys have any questions regarding the Raleigh Bikes or my new bikes, let me know and I'll try to pitch in here somewhat regularly.

Cheers[smile],
Mark. 
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Mark, I just want to say good luck with your bikes, it surely will shine among the big names and hopefully will gain traction. Also, thanks for designing the Roker. My first gravel bike, and really enjoy it thus far.

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Wow! Thanks for dropping in Mark. I love my Raleigh Roker, and I'm headed off to Arastradero Preserve this evening to check out how the bike handles with 650x47 Elwood Terrene tires. I wish had taken some pictures of the new Noble bikes, but I missed your booth in the sea of booths at the Sea Otter Classic. One semi-serious question I have is whether Al Roker received anything for naming a bike after him [wink]
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Hi Kickngas,

Super good to hear you like the Roker! Everybody in product and marketing at the time felt we had developed a really good bike. It's unfortunate the company has chosen to go in a different direction.

Thanks for the encouragement as well. So far it's been more challenging than I anticipated, but I'm really happy with how the bikes turned out so far.

Hi 7rider, we had a small 10x10 on the grass right across from Clif Bar. We had a lot of traffic, but it was easy to miss. Let me know how the Roker handles with 650Bx47. The GX3 and GX5 have the same clearance so I'm curious to hear what you think. I haven't had a chance to try 650B yet. The bikes are technically designed for 700C, but I'm curious for sure.

One semi-serious answer. The weatherman series was a stroke of genius of our marketing guy Brian (Sally) Fornes. The idea behind it was that you can ride gravel bikes in any condition regardless of weather, so it really doesn't matter what the weather forecast is from weatherman. 

Hence the weatherman names. When I left there was the idea to reach out to Al Roker, but I don't know if that actually happened or not. Cheers[thumb]
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Mark thanks for all your designs at Raleigh. I just started Gravel riding last spring and after reading some good reviews over at Bike Forums an the killer direct to the consumer prices I decided to buy the 2016 Tamland 1. It is a sweetheart of a bike. I was really under trained and did my first big gravel race the Pony Express 75 miler. Article over at gravel cyclist under racing tab. I since have ridden  a few rides/races.

Crush and Run 11 Litiz Pa.
Maple City Century(I did the 60 miler) Honesdale PA

2018
Dirty Pecan 80 miler
the other weekend Bottegger 60 miler Lenoir NC.

I bought the Roker Mid Dec. and have been riding it this year. Both bikes ride identical to me except the Roker has the hydro brakes which I really like. I still am not real crazy about the 1x Sram though.

Which bike in your line up is the same as the Roker? I guess with start up costs you can only offer so much at the start but I would be interested in buying just a stock frame down the road like the Roker so I could have a 2x Shimano.

So I read your one thread above. How much is the GX-5 close to the Roker?

Thanks again for all your hard work over at Raleigh and good luck with you new Noble bike line.

At 6 ft. I ride a 56 cm Raleigh in both bikes. Will the Noble bikes be the same fitting? 

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Zman - that is interesting that you miss the 2x.  I agonized over 1x or 2x for months - especially as with my bike I really liked the color of the frame for the 1x build, but I ended up with the 2x and the drab looking frame.  I'm thinking I made the right choice.  I love the tightly spaced quick shifts of the 2x Ultegra.    Ultimately I came to the conclusion that if I am doing both race paced road rides and long slower gravel rides (with single track thrown in), that I really wanted two chain rings to cover my different riding styles, speeds, and needs.
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@Zurichman,

You are most welcome, it's great to see that there's quite a few riders out there enjoying the bikes!

You are also correct that the GX5 will be the most similar to the Roker. The GX5 is the evolution of things I learned from doing the Roker. The fit on my bikes is the same as the fit on the Raleigh Gravel bikes. I did all the geometry for Raleigh and have developed a tool for sizing geometry creation that works really well. 

If you are a 56cm Raleigh, you will also be a 56cm Noble. Keep in mind though that the geometry has changed. All the Noble frames feature what I call "forward geometry" This is based on the same trend that's happening in MTB where we pair longer top tubes with shorter stems. 

Given how popular the geometry for the first gen bikes is, I wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing by prototyping and riding forward geometry before I implemented it. The net result is almost exactly the same fit, but the riders center of gravity changes and this leads to even better handling (in my opinion). these changes will be noticeable on all sizes, but most pronounced on the smaller sizes, 54cm and down.

@Zurichman and Chas. It's interesting that you both like 2x over 1x. My first shipment of bikes will be 1x for the GX5. I did develop a 2x specific version of this frame as well. What would the interest be in 2x framesets? Or would you like to see a complete 2x build?

Let me know, appreciate the feedback!

p.s. sounds like you guys get a lot more riding in than me right now[biggrin]

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You are also correct that the GX5 will be the most similar to the Roker. The GX5 is the evolution of things I learned from doing the Roker. The fit on my bikes is the same as the fit on the Raleigh Gravel bikes. I did all the geometry for Raleigh and have developed a tool for sizing geometry creation that works really well. 

If you are a 56cm Raleigh, you will also be a 56cm Noble. Keep in mind though that the geometry has changed. All the Noble frames feature what I call "forward geometry" This is based on the same trend that's happening in MTB where we pair longer top tubes with shorter stems. 

Given how popular the geometry for the first gen bikes is, I wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing by prototyping and riding forward geometry before I implemented it. The net result is almost exactly the same fit, but the riders center of gravity changes and this leads to even better handling (in my opinion). these changes will be noticeable on all sizes, but most pronounced on the smaller sizes, 54cm and down.

@Zurichman and Chas. It's interesting that you both like 2x over 1x. My first shipment of bikes will be 1x for the GX5. I did develop a 2x specific version of this frame as well. What would the interest be in 2x framesets? Or would you like to see a complete 2x build?

Let me know, appreciate the feedback!

Mark not a lot of riding at my end as the weather has gone from winter to hot summer here already in the last week or so in Pa. I also was dealing with some rt collarbone nerve pain that wasn't liking the cold weather.

I am not a techy guy so explain tome what forward geometry is. I know at my end that I need the 24 deg. offset seat post to get my fitting right on both bikes. I sent away for one of those light weight carbon posts and the set back wasn't enough so it was wasted money at my end.

My very first ride/race here in Pa. I hit something on my Tamland and tacoed the front outside ring like a pretzel. Raleigh was going to help me with warranty but you need to take pics and then do a lot of emailing which I am clueless at my end. My LBS instead of offering to just buying a front ring talked me into buying a whole new crank a Shimano Ultegra. 

For that reason I have the extra crank laying around and would put the 105 on the new Noble bike so yeah I would be interested in the frame only if you can explain the forward geometry to me and it would fit like my Roker does now. A couple of the reasons I bought the Roker were.

1. I never saw a bad review of the bike.
2. The price was within my budget as I did buy it early before they jacked the prices up on the few remaining bikes they had.
3. They were no longer going to make/manufacture it.
4. It weighs 5 lbs less than my Tamland 1. If I was only ever riding in Kansas the Tamland would be great. That isn't the case and the hydro brakes on the Roker takes some of fear out of the downhills for me.

I think anybody on this forum that has ridden the Roker would say Raleigh screwed up big time by dropping these bikes. Yeah it still had a few flaws in it with the front cable going into the frame on the Roker and some shifting rear derailleur problems on the Sport but all in all I think they are great bikes.

I really can't wait until I get into better cycling shape to see what the bike and I can really do. Right now the bike is pulling more than it's fair share and I have hopes of going out and doing all the bad ass gravel rides and races. Time/vacation time/available money/expenses for the races/and life in general will tell the outcome of that.


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Zman - that is interesting that you miss the 2x.  I agonized over 1x or 2x for months - especially as with my bike I really liked the color of the frame for the 1x build, but I ended up with the 2x and the drab looking frame.  I'm thinking I made the right choice.  I love the tightly spaced quick shifts of the 2x Ultegra.    Ultimately I came to the conclusion that if I am doing both race paced road rides and long slower gravel rides (with single track thrown in), that I really wanted two chain rings to cover my different riding styles, speeds, and needs.


Chas I will be the first one to admit that I am not in great riding shape right now. If and when that does happen I might have different thoughts. I do think the gaps are too big and when riding with a group you sure are doing a lot of shifting. The other thing after using Shimano only for 25+ years you know it's kinda hard to teach the old dog a new trick.

Any suggestions here from anyone on how to protect the underneath side of my down tube. This bike sure does scratch up easy for all the miles I have put on it so far. One was up around the steering handlebars which I have no idea how that happened.

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