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Erik_A

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NS Bikes - RAG+

http://www.ns-bikes.com/rag,109,pl.html

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Erik_A

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Giant TCX 

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcx-advanced-pro-1

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Sepeda

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Erik, thank you for some great alternatives!

Will dive into the details of these bikes.

Actually once owned a TCX [smile]
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drwelby

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Wilier Jaroon Plus!

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freakforti

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Back in 2013 I had Erik Rolf aka ALLIANCE Cycles - http://alliancebicycles.com/ build me a custom Ti Frame that more or less can handle it all - 2.2x650b mtb tires max.

more pice here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/freakforti/albums/72157636473226883/with/15939720210/

still going strong [biggrin]

MARtiN

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Sepeda

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Awesome bike, Martin!

The NS RAG+ 2018 really hits the spot for me. Affordable, 420mm chainstays, stack to reach ratio of 1,46 in M, 45mm tyres on 700c, 2.2" on 650b, eyelets for fenders, flat mount,142x12 dropouts  ...Hell, I can live with 15mm dropouts on the fork and no eyelets for racks [smile]

All in all, just that little bit more rough than the NS spin off Rondo Ruut.

Thanks, Erik - now I must go look for a frameset...

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Erik_A

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That Rondo Ruut is cool, a Canyon "inspired" design for sure:  http://rondo.cc/

Can't open the "products" page.  Interested to see what the geometry is, and what the AL and ST frames look like.

Rondo Ruutt.jpg 

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OffB10Path

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Awesome bike, Martin!

The NS RAG+ 2018 really hits the spot for me. Affordable, 420mm chainstays, stack to reach ratio of 1,46 in M, 45mm tyres on 700c, 2.2" on 650b, eyelets for fenders, flat mount,142x12 dropouts  ...Hell, I can live with 15mm dropouts on the fork and no eyelets for racks [smile]

All in all, just that little bit more rough than the NS spin off Rondo Ruut.

Thanks, Erik - now I must go look for a frameset...



Glad you found what you're after!  Thanks to all for posting ideas here...had never heard of some of these models. 

Martin--that custom Alliance looks fantastic.
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Sepeda

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The Rondo Ruut is a great success in Europe. One of the men behind it actually used to live in Oslo and I was fortunate enough to see some of the development behind the bike, including the innovative flip chip that allows switching between geometry settings...

I'm not sure that the Ruut was inspired by the Canyon Inflite CF SLX as the Ruut actually appeared earlier, if I'm not mistaken.

Erik, you may need to use another browser in order to view all info on their home page. Chrome should work fine.

Check out this GCN video - Zipp wheels on Ruut: Smaller Wheels, More Fun? 650B VS 700C

Here's the AL version:

[rondo-ruut-al-bike-1]

Steel is real:

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And here's the geometry in endurance versus racing mode:

[Rondo-Rutt_adjustable-geometry-fat-tire-gravel-road-bike_geometry-table] 

I'm just looking for a tad more tyre clearance, like the Rag+ [smile]
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Sepeda

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I'm wondering...

As Rondo is a child of NS Bikes, I see several references to Ruut AL and Rag+ being the same frame. Forks are different, obviously, as Rag+ does not have the twin tip to adjust geometry settings. 

When comparing the geometry of the frames, the numbers seem to be the same. Of course, the numbers affected by the different forks - stack, reach, standover, angles etc. - are different. Or am I reading the data incorrectly?

Here are the data on Rag+:

NS Bikes Rag+ Geometry.jpg 
The frames visually also seem to be the same:

NS Bikes Rag+ versus Rondo Ruut AL.jpg   

If buying a complete bike, the Ruut AL seems a good, if slightly more expensive choice, due to the more advanced fork with twin tip.

However, the Rag+ is sold as a framset whereas Ruut AL is not, as far as I can see. So, for a budget build, the Rag+ seems a good choice.

This is all well and good, but I wonder about the tyre clearance. Rag+ is stated to have slightly bigger clearance. This may be due to the different forks, or it may be due to Rondo not differentiating between their Ruut models in al, steel and carbon when it comes to tyre clearance...


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OffB10Path

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That fork is pretty slick.  The ENVE 29er fork I have has a similar tip, but is horizontal, so adjusts trail only, I think.  That said, I've only run it in one position.  I wonder if folks would really want to tweak the geometry for different types of rides.  Regardless, it's an interesting idea.

Out of curiosity, what are the little rubber band looking things hanging on the RUUT's hubs?
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Sepeda

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Good question [smile]

See the same rubbery thingy on the other models, also on pictures taken outside of the studio...

It's probably a vital component.
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