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I'm strongly considering going tubeless on my Tamland 1 after a bad run of flat tires over the past couple weeks. My wheels are "tubeless ready" according to the manufacturer. They are Weinmann U28 TL, Double Wall 32h wheels. Ive been reading up on going tubeless and am unsure whether I need rim tape or not (not familiar with wheel construction). Im going to go with Stan's valve stems and Orange Seal, if that makes a difference. I'm hoping my crappy picture is attached.

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Is that black strip movable like a typical rim strip or is it stuck in place with adhesive? If it's the latter then you should be good to go. 
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Is that black strip movable like a typical rim strip or is it stuck in place with adhesive? If it's the latter then you should be good to go. 


Sorry, it is a bad picture. The tire and tube are being pulled down toward the bottom of the picture. The inside of the wheel is the white/cream color.
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Yeah, I figured as much (after closer look), same reasoning applies.
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Yeah, I figured as much (after closer look), same reasoning applies.


I took a better picture after looking at the wheel closer. It looks to be adhesive backed to the wheel. Is that tape already installed or should I put some on just to make sure it is sealed up?

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You should be able to tell whether it's tape or not-is it rolled on the inside of the rim like a roll of tape? Notubes' site has good videos on setting up tubeless which apply to all brands. Check out the one on taping the rim. Make sure that you have a good tubeless tire - check out the Riding Gravel reviews. The right tire will be a snap, the wrong one will make you go back to tubes.
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Looks like only one layer of tape. I use two.
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That looks ready to go. Looks like one wrap around from the photo which works. I have those tires clement Ush and couldn't get them to hold hold air reliably. I would go with a tubeless ready type.
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Are those tires Strada Ush or just the Ush?
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Are those tires Strada Ush or just the Ush?


They are Strada USH 32s.
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My set aired up lickiity split, No issues,I like them overall for a fast limited gravel tire.
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Looks like only one layer of tape. I use two.

Me too, err two layers
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That does appear to be a tubeless rim and is already taped.  The tire should fit fairly tightly, and be too hard or almost to mount by hand without tools.  An extra layer of tape can help, but won't make up for really loose tires.  I put at least 8 mils of tape on my rims.  
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and be too hard or almost to mount by hand without tools.  An extra layer of tape can help

I just got a new set of wheels from A/C factory direct 1 layer of tape no issues with air retention. What I've read is two layers for high pressure 1 otherwise. I think 2 layers gives you better puncture protection of the spoke holes but I am using 1 layer, in the past I used 2 but see no clear advantage.

Oleritter I might have  misunderstood what you say above. How does adding tape layer help with tight or hard to mount tires? Unless you mean difficult to air up? Then adding tape increases contact points of rubber to rim for better air up.
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An extra layer of tape can make not so tight tires, tighter tires.  
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My $.02: Sealing tape is very inexpensive. I use 3M strapping tape that works as well as Stans https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0Z21PK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1  . You might as well rip off the old stuff, which may, or may not be damaged or adequate,  and install 2 layers of new tape.
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I have used the 3m strapping tape for a couple years now and it works no issues. It is about 7 mils one layer
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I have used the 3m strapping tape for a couple years now and it works no issues. It is about 7 mils one layer

Hey RoverAl - Based on sage advice here, and elsewhere, I've been using 2 layers of tape. Do you use 2 or 1 layer of the 3M? Also, although I do recommend tearing off old tape, I did find that the tape sometimes tears while removing, leaving little strips of tape in the channel  where the tire bead sits. It's no big deal to carefully scratch out the residual old tape with a plastic picnic knife that wont damage the rim. The beads on tubeless ready tires are very stiff. Depending on the rim and tire, they can be hard to install. The less stuff inside the rim - especially in the area where the tire seats - may make the job easier.
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I just got a new set of wheels from A/C factory direct 1 layer of tape no issues with air retention. What I've read is two layers for high pressure 1 otherwise. I think 2 layers gives you better puncture protection of the spoke holes but I am using 1 layer, in the past I used 2 but see no clear advantage.

Oleritter I might have  misunderstood what you say above. How does adding tape layer help with tight or hard to mount tires? Unless you mean difficult to air up? Then adding tape increases contact points of rubber to rim for better air up.


Yes, I didn't word that very well.  I was referring to tires that fit loosely, but was trying to describe how correctly fitting tires should be at the same time.  More tape is not going to help tight tires fit looser, of course.  [smile]


I was using the 3M tape for a while, until I found a source for Tesa 4288.  I use this one, in a couple of different widths.  Have to order it in bulk, though.

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Do you use 2 or 1 layer of the 3M? 


I've always used two layers of the standard plasticy tape up until a couple of months ago. One exception is I used gorilla tape when starting out tubeless on my first gravel bike setup years ago and that was one layer.

I can't seem to find my reference for using one layer at the moment but I read it somewhere reliable. Basically one layer for low pressure and 2 for high.

With that said, seems like 2 is the accepted norm.
There is no standard and I am basically just trying it out. In no way am I saying this is the way to go, it is just something I decided to do and try out.

For about 2 months it has worked for me without issues.

Those wheels are now in backup status since rolling on my new American Classic TCX's which came pre-taped, it didn't occur to me to check how many tape layers are on them. 
http://ridinggravel.forumchitchat.com/file?id=3437872

Having one set of wheels means I change out my tires frequently and with that the tape can get damaged or nicked up from levers and or handling.. Since the 3m tape is so inexpensive I would re-tape as needed with the 3M tape.
I always removed all the old tape prior to adding new. It is tedious and goo b gone type stuff helps get off the old residue.
I also make and use my own sealant.


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 https://amclassic.com/index.php/downloads/dl/file/id/40/product/0/mountain_tubeless_tire_mounting.pdf
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I've always used two layers of the standard plasticy tape up until a couple of months ago. One exception is I used gorilla tape when starting out tubeless on my first gravel bike setup years ago and that was one layer.

I can't seem to find my reference for using one layer at the moment but I read it somewhere reliable. Basically one layer for low pressure and 2 for high.

With that said, seems like 2 is the accepted norm.
There is no standard and I am basically just trying it out. In no way am I saying this is the way to go, it is just something I decided to do and try out.

For about 2 months it has worked for me without issues.

Those wheels are now in backup status since rolling on my new American Classic TCX's which came pre-taped, it didn't occur to me to check how many tape layers are on them. 
http://ridinggravel.forumchitchat.com/file?id=3437872

Having one set of wheels means I change out my tires frequently and with that the tape can get damaged or nicked up from levers and or handling.. Since the 3m tape is so inexpensive I would re-tape as needed with the 3M tape.
I always removed all the old tape prior to adding new. It is tedious and goo b gone type stuff helps get off the old residue.
I also make and use my own sealant.


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ood guide for any tubeless newbs
 https://amclassic.com/index.php/downloads/dl/file/id/40/product/0/mountain_tubeless_tire_mounting.pdf

Hi Rover- thanks for the intel. and links. I'll stick with Orangeseal Endurance, though. I've been using Orangeseal for about a year on 4 different low pressure tires. I even left a pair of tubeless wheels over the winter in an unheated garage. They were still holding air in the Spring, and had some liquid sealant still inside. I added an ounce of OS and they are still going strong on my wife's gravel bike.
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That's impressive about the orange seal, here in Fla the sealant dries up in the summer more quickly than in cooler temps. I"ve adjusted my secret formula  lol accordingly. I might try some of the endurance product. I liked the regular orange seal too.  
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