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Reading many reviews of tires I have decided on Clement MSO 36mm tubeless, which I would run tubeless. My local shop has the 70 TPI version in stock and the wholesaler does not have any of the 120TPI, Eta unknown. Running these tubeless what do you dudes in the know think there is for real-world difference between the 70 TPI and 120 TPI?

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I would use the ones Guitar Ted used in his review on this site. In that review he gave them high marks.
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If the 70tpi have stiffer sidewalls, then they should work better tubeless.
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I have read the write- ups on this site in regard to the 36mm MSO, no mention of thread count. Ted can you comment on this?

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I would use the ones Guitar Ted used in his review on this site. In that review he gave them high marks.



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Everything I am seeing for sale on the web about these tires is 120 tpi 
Not a mention of 70TPI except the vague reference on their (clements site)

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These are very good tires - just go with the 70. Run at lower pressures, the tires will feel plenty comfy and provide decent grip. I rode the 3-day Dirty Fury Stage Rush on these at 40psi and had no flats, good road performance and never lost traction on the climbs or descents. 
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dave schlabowske

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I have the 36mm 120tpi tires set up tubeless. 

With only about 500 miles on a set of Clement MSO 36mm tires on my Fyxation Crusher, the center tread is worn smooth on the rear tire. I'd say 50% of my miles are on pavement. I've not had this happen this fast on a tire, even when all the miles were on pavement. They had just the ride amount of grip to rolling resistance to feel really fast and still hook up when I got them. My climbing on steep, slippery stuff has definitely suffered since the rear tread wore smooth.

I love how these tires ride (mine are set up tubeless on i9 UL235 wheels (23.5mm inner width), but I'm not sure I can afford them if they wear out so fast. Anyone have a similar issue or have better luck with Schwalbe G-One tires? They seem to have a similar tread.

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I've purchased several models of the Clement's in both TPI's and different sizes.  The 120 TPI's definitely did feel more supple but I can't say it made me any faster or had a big improvement in ride.  

Conventional wisdom (religion?) is tires with lower TPI casings will be stiffer and less susceptible to cuts and slower.  I've yet to suffer a cut with any of the Clements. Goat heads will penetrate any/all of the CX and X'Plor models (DAMHIK).  I use tubes so can't comment to how they ride/seal in a tubeless setup.  

As for wear, I have well over 500 miles on my 40mm MSO's and they have lots of life. Wear depends upon riding style and conditions - when on my gravel bike I'm not pushing like one would in a CX race nor am I on technical singletrack where one might be break loose the rear tire. I'm typically on well graded dirt roads, little pavement.  If I'm going to be on pavement I'll usually switch to a fat (31ish mm) road tire.  There definitely are tires with deeper treads but it's a trade off between weight and endurance.

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I've been running a set of these tubeless on Velocity Quill rims, using Orange Seal Endurance.

My experience has been very similar to what Dave describes above, getting only about 600 miles out of the rear tire before the tread is smooth. Some gravel, but also a good amount of dry pavement, much of it chipseal.

This is substantially less than the 800-1000 miles I was getting out of the 120tpi, 40c version of the same tire.

I've also noticed that they lose pressure when bottomed out, but maybe that's normal for a tubeless tire.

I really like how these tires ride, but I may be jumping ship for the WTB Resolutes or something from Compass.

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