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massitesi

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this is another good frame , i have a couple of wheelset from yihusun and they are very good.
the frame is about 500$.

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Does anyone know if the Carbonda has clearance for a Ultegra 6800 50/34 crankset?

Can anyone recommend the correct Carbonda frame for a 6-1 guy.

(fwiw...I don't think the workswell frame that has infiltrated this carbonda thread has clearance for the compact...but I could be wrong...maybe someone knows if the chain will rub?)


The Carbonda will definitely take a double compact chainset. The UP copy, I don't know.  The OnOne version says single front chainring only.

I'm 190cm (6'3") and will be ordering the 60cm frame. You'd probably be fine withe the 57cm.
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Good morning Dr. Spoke (senior member). Yes, it it s the CFR505 from Carbonda. (you can still lightly see the billfish labels which I shall not have on the frame)


Thanks platypus.  One more - what/where is the extra bottle mount?  I couldn't tell from the photo.  Do you think they could put a set on the top tube ala the U.P.  Ok, two more.  Any comments on build quality of the frameset?

I've got the BB86 on a couple of bikes - one mtn and one gravel.  Both have been trouble free with the mtn bike over 3 years.

I'm leaning toward the Carbonda.  I like the geometry better though wish it could fit wider 650b tires.  But I've run 40 mm tires on 700c and like them.  So if I can find an off-road tire in 45 mm or bigger that will work.  And I like the use of a standard seat post.  The Vroomen chain stay design allows a wider tire but I'm uncomfortable with the copy even though it's not being marketed as a counterfeit.  Just have to pick a color and perhaps a 2 color design.
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Thanks platypus.  One more - what/where is the extra bottle mount?  I couldn't tell from the photo.  Do you think they could put a set on the top tube ala the U.P.  Ok, two more.  Any comments on build quality of the frameset?

I've got the BB86 on a couple of bikes - one mtn and one gravel.  Both have been trouble free with the mtn bike over 3 years.

I'm leaning toward the Carbonda.  I like the geometry better though wish it could fit wider 650b tires.  But I've run 40 mm tires on 700c and like them.  So if I can find an off-road tire in 45 mm or bigger that will work.  And I like the use of a standard seat post.  The Vroomen chain stay design allows a wider tire but I'm uncomfortable with the copy even though it's not being marketed as a counterfeit.  Just have to pick a color and perhaps a 2 color design.


I would like to find an off road or mtn tire that will fit the Carbonda frame. 45-48mm off road tire would be great. 
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Hi DrSpoke

The pic I posted was just for the colour scheme. Adam coloured in the generic picture. My frame has not arrived yet but should be here with me in Europe mid-April. So I cannot comment on the build quality just yet. I shall when it has arrived. It is an expermiment for me too, and I decided to take the risk, if it is one.

So as it is a generic pic, the bottle mount cannot be seen. I just asked for it to be the same like on the genesis datum: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adventure/frames/datum-frameset. I asked Adam whether it might be an issue re stability of the frame, drilling an extra two holes in the down-tube. He said, it should not and I believe him as the downtubes are usually the thickest. So as for the top tube, I don't know but presumably you could set smaller screws also? You can tell I am no expert. I shall submit close-up pics in this forum when the frame is here.

So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.
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So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.


Not sure if you were replying to me regarding the 47mm not being wide enough. I think it is wide enough, but i just have not found any treaded tires in that size. The 47mm WTB Horizon tires are like slicks. If there was a 47mm gravel tread or mtn tread that'd be nice. 
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Not sure if you were replying to me regarding the 47mm not being wide enough. I think it is wide enough, but i just have not found any treaded tires in that size. The 47mm WTB Horizon tires are like slicks. If there was a 47mm gravel tread or mtn tread that'd be nice. 


Terrene Elwood 650x47
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More 650b on the way https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/03/02/fb17-clement-expands-650b-adding-number-new-sizes/
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Unless the Carbonda has clearance for a 2in. 27.5 wheel (which from the sound of it it doesn't) the only options are the 42s which are narrower than the WTBs. The Elwoods are basically the only semi-slick gravel tire that will accommodate the 47 road plus category.
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Hi DrSpoke

The pic I posted was just for the colour scheme. Adam coloured in the generic picture. My frame has not arrived yet but should be here with me in Europe mid-April. So I cannot comment on the build quality just yet. I shall when it has arrived. It is an expermiment for me too, and I decided to take the risk, if it is one.

So as it is a generic pic, the bottle mount cannot be seen. I just asked for it to be the same like on the genesis datum: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/adventure/frames/datum-frameset. I asked Adam whether it might be an issue re stability of the frame, drilling an extra two holes in the down-tube. He said, it should not and I believe him as the downtubes are usually the thickest. So as for the top tube, I don't know but presumably you could set smaller screws also? You can tell I am no expert. I shall submit close-up pics in this forum when the frame is here.

So 47mm/650b are not wide enough for you? But you're right. It seems a challenge to find that variety in 650b. And thank you for the feedback re BB86. I think they're great and actually aesthetically more pleasing. Just installing them will be the challenge.


Thanks platypus.  I've got the mounts for the 3rd bottle cage on my Niner.  I don't use them now but think it would be useful for bikepacking.

47mm is likely wide enough but more is always good.  I was just comparing it to the 2.1" on the U.P.  We do have areas of soft, deep sand around here where wider could be useful.  I like riding singletrack too.  And, as noted, there aren't many knobby tires currently available in that width.

Wheels Manufacturing has a very nice consumer level tool for installing a BB86 as well as other common bottom bracket sizes.
http://wheelsmfg.com/presses-tools/universal-bottom-bracket-press.html
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It would nice if that 50 would fit the Carbonda.  And presumably it's tubeless.
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Terrene Elwood 650x47


Are these tubeless?  It doesn't appear so.
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Thanks platypus.  I've got the mounts for the 3rd bottle cage on my Niner.  I don't use them now but think it would be useful for bikepacking.

47mm is likely wide enough but more is always good.  I was just comparing it to the 2.1" on the U.P.  We do have areas of soft, deep sand around here where wider could be useful.  I like riding singletrack too.  And, as noted, there aren't many knobby tires currently available in that width.

Wheels Manufacturing has a very nice consumer level tool for installing a BB86.
http://wheelsmfg.com/presses-tools/universal-bottom-bracket-press.html[/QUOT

Thanks for that BB install tool....and on that note.....on the first page of this thread one of the Carbonda buyers noted the HEADSET that came with it fell apart.......can someone offer a good high quality replacement (to avoid the potential) and to the point .....an economical tool to install one on the Carbonda (in case it's not obvious - I have never installed one myself)
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Most headsets these days are drop in - no tools required.  Tools are required for the old style press fit cups though you can make your own or adapt the bottom bracket tool, above.  But there are many variations such as ZS - zero stack, IS - integrated system, etc.  So you need to match that which includes inner and outer diameters, bearing angles, etc.  I'd recommend that you contact Carbonda or the frame manufacturer and get the spec they use.

Cane Creek makes nice headsets - the 110 series is top and the 40 series is very good.

http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/
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Are these tubeless?  It doesn't appear so.


Yes, they are tubeless.

Check out their website.
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platypus

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A belated thank you to Dr. Spokes for the link to the pressfit tool. Looks like the way to go. Next post with the pics of my frame hopefully.
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I really really love Genesis' paint jobs! 

I hope that your frame would arrive soon! 

 

Are you guys going for QR thru axels or for bolted ones? Does anyone offers more stifness than the other? 

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Just an update. my bike is still being built. I am waiting on a disc brake adapter as the brakes i got aren't compatible with the frame unforunately. Do anyof you know what adapter I need?

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You need something like this or maybe its the opposite of this:
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-flat-mount-caliper-bracket?skidn=SRM008Y-FRO-S020MM&rec=sameCat

That's a flat mount on the frame.  
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You need something like this or maybe its the opposite of this:
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/sram-flat-mount-caliper-bracket?skidn=SRM008Y-FRO-S020MM&rec=sameCat

That's a flat mount on the frame.  


looks like i chose the wrong brake caliper type for the frame. although I can make it work with the adapter, are there any negatives with using an adapter verses going with the proper brake for the frame? besides the weight? 
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No real negatives w/using a post mount caliper.  It's mostly an appearance thing w/flat mounts integrating slightly better w/the frame and fork.  But even flat mounts require an adapter plate on the fork.  Just get the right adapter for the diameter of rotor you plan to use.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/shimano-flat-mount-disc-brake-adapter
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Good morning or good evening Ladies & Gents - Adam just sent me some pics of my finished frames before it is sent on the way. i left the pictures rather large so you can inspect the details (and either warn me or go and take the plunge yourself). You can see the third bottle mount. Now let me hope it will make it through all right. As for the flat mount caliper discussion - question: what rear mounting bolt length do I need? I am asking because I am looking for this break: https://www.trpbrakes.com/category.php?productid=1273&catid=206 ... and if anyone knows where that thing is still available, that would be awesome!   .... next time I can hopefully let you know the exact weight of the frame.

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It looks like that Carbonda have done a great job painting the frameset!

It's a very simple and commonly requested colour scheme, but the lines in the frame seem really well set!

I'm curious to see how that frame turned out!!
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Hello all

First time poster.

I've been following this thread with interest as I've been searching for a gravel bike. Actually an all-road bike. Cost effective options are scarce in this part of the world (New Zealand) so I came to the conclusion the best option was to build up a bike. After months of research I came up with a shortlist of the Ridley X-Trail, Blue Prosecco and the Carbonda CFR505. 

I have just pulled the trigger on the Carbonda CFR505 as it seemed to be the best fit geometry-wise, the price was right and I like the modern specification: Internal cable routing, 12mm thru axles front and rear and flat mount disc mounts. A risk maybe going direct with a Chinese supplier, but the positive feedback on this thread has given me some confidence that this is a good quality frame.

While I wait for delivery, I thought I'd share what I have learnt in the numerous emails back and forth with Adam (who, I should add, has been very helpful and professional throughout). 

Firstly, the axles. Adam quoted me US$ 25 for the axles. I would have preferred to use DT Swiss DWS plug-in axles but wasn't sure about compatibility. Adam sent me the following in an effort to explain the requirements:
Front Axle.png  Rear Axle.png  Rear Axle close up.png
DT don't currently seem to sell an RWS for a front 12mm axle (although the Canyon Endurace have them) They do make a 12mm rear E-thru, although not in the new plug-in style.

I asked Adam whether the following would be compatible:
https://www.dtswiss.com/Components/RWS/RWS-E-Thru-rear
Adam's response: "Yes,the link showed should be fit for frame."
In the end I settled for the Carbonda supplied "Assisting Force" axles as I couldn't find a better alternative. 

Additionally:
The fork weighs 420g and has a steerer length of 300mm.
The headset size is: 1-1/8" to 1-1/2"
The seat post can be ordered in one of two lengths: 350mm (180g) or 400mm (200g), both having 25mm seatback.
The XL (60cm) frame weighs 1150g.

I asked Adam whether he could ship a touch-up pot of paint along with the frame in the box but apparently this is not permitted by their freight agents. Since this discussion I decided to go with a plain matt UD finish.

Adam agreed to building a frame without the upper seat-stay bolts (at no extra charge). To me they detract from the otherwise clean lines of the frame and I don't think I'd ever fit mudguards or racks (and even if the need arose, I'm sure I could buy or make a clamp arrangement to serve the purpose.

I think that's it for now. I'll post again with an update when the frame arrives.

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So they charge extra for the axles?  Generally they are included w/a frame or fork but I suppose not at that price.

There is also this:  http://www.carbon-ti.com/
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