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SteeleWheels

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If I read your past posts correctly that’s something like 6 weeks before it shipped? Usually takes 1-2 weeks to get into your hands in a USA address from my experience ordering other things from China via EMS.


Yes, it took 6 weeks. Adam said it would be 35 to 45 days with the BSA and paint. So, hopefully it is here next weekend so I can build. I'm not riding when it's -15 degree wind chill out this week anyway. 

Thanks for the reply.
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H00T

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Quote:
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My frame finally shipped on January 3.
Tracking says this:
January 3, 2018, 10:15 pm 
Processed Through Facility 
SHENZHEN EMS, CHINA 
Your item has been processed through a facility in SHENZHEN EMS, CHINA at 10:15 pm on January 3, 2018. 

Does this mean it has left China? I've heard that parcels can get held up there for 2 weeks. Wondering if anybody has any information as to how long it will take to get to the USA.
Thank you all.


You should get some further updates like "handed over to airline" and "departed country of origin" soon.
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Rainysunny

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Can anyone with a M or S frame give me a stand over measurement at the top tube directly below tip of the saddle, or just at the seattube/toptube/seat clamp junction?

The stated 775mm for standover as measured at the middle of the toptube seems a bit high for a size small, it’s taller than my size 52 Cervélo!
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[ITfU1LW] 

Everything but the chainring and brake discs are there.
I got even two Haribo bears bags from http://r2-bike.com

Build time !! [biggrin]
Hopefully nothing is missing, everything is compatible, and my spoke lengths are correct( these are my first straight pull wheels ??? )

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Loving the Haribo theme! These kinds of possibilites for personalization (and price/performance ofcourse) is why I'm buying a Carbonda or Workswell, partly thanks to this thread. Though the limitlessness of options for colour schemes can be a bit daunting.

Still deciding between Carbonda CFR505 and Workswell WCB-R-125, if anyone has any opinions on why to choose which, or any other cool alternatives, please share!

Also, since it's my first time building a bike and choosing components, if anyone has any comments about my planned (partial) build list, compatibility or otherwise:
Sram Rival 22 hydraulic (not sure if I won't go for something cheaper)
WWC-R-50-25C http://www.workswellbikes.com/PRODDUCT/WHEELSET/Road/20170118/73.html
46/30 crankset
11/32 cassette

Cheers [smile]
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Rainysunny

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Went with Carbonda mostly because it doesn’t have a proprietary seatpost, although I hear there are issues with the seatpost clamp.
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SteeleWheels

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Loving the Haribo theme! These kinds of possibilites for personalization (and price/performance ofcourse) is why I'm buying a Carbonda or Workswell, partly thanks to this thread. Though the limitlessness of options for colour schemes can be a bit daunting.

Still deciding between Carbonda CFR505 and Workswell WCB-R-125, if anyone has any opinions on why to choose which, or any other cool alternatives, please share!

Also, since it's my first time building a bike and choosing components, if anyone has any comments about my planned (partial) build list, compatibility or otherwise:
Sram Rival 22 hydraulic (not sure if I won't go for something cheaper)
WWC-R-50-25C http://www.workswellbikes.com/PRODDUCT/WHEELSET/Road/20170118/73.html
46/30 crankset
11/32 cassette

Cheers [smile]


You may want to go with some disc wheels.[wink]

I chose the frame because I like the way it looks and seems to have a good reputation. With that said, I have yet to take delivery of the frame.
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Hi, 
has anyone built up their Carbonda with Di2? If so, what length wires did people get to cover all the bases?
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RiderAWE

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Originally Posted by Janezek
Loving the Haribo theme! These kinds of possibilites for personalization (and price/performance ofcourse) is why I'm buying a Carbonda or Workswell, partly thanks to this thread. Though the limitlessness of options for colour schemes can be a bit daunting.

Still deciding between Carbonda CFR505 and Workswell WCB-R-125, if anyone has any opinions on why to choose which, or any other cool alternatives, please share!

Also, since it's my first time building a bike and choosing components, if anyone has any comments about my planned (partial) build list, compatibility or otherwise:
Sram Rival 22 hydraulic (not sure if I won't go for something cheaper)
WWC-R-50-25C http://www.workswellbikes.com/PRODDUCT/WHEELSET/Road/20170118/73.html
46/30 crankset
11/32 cassette

Cheers [smile]


The Carbonda is better priced. Also, The carbonda can have fenders (might be handy if you use the bike as a winterbike) and even racks. That works really well

I have built my bike with Ultegra 6800 and DT Swiss wheels, If you are gonna use the bike on gravel I would not go for Carbon wheels.
There is not too much choice in complete groups for Disc brakes and you really need to take some time to find a good deal.
Ultegra is like ordering a hamburger [smile] - You cant go wrong with Ultegra. Campa is more exciting and probably SRAM too. If you chose with your heart you might end up with Campa - If you use your brains you chose Shimano..

Also, do look at the size of the TA's. I had ordered TA 12mm frontwheel which did not fit (for the carbonda you need 15mm). I could return these and order the right ones..

Good luck








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Also, do look at the size of the TA's. I had ordered TA 12mm frontwheel which did not fit (for the carbonda you need 15mm). I could return these and order the right ones..

Good luck




Its not correct. My Carbonda has both front and rear 12mm TA.
Before ordering you can choose between 12mm or 15mm TA forks.

the 12mm is more or less the road wheel standard, and the 15mm more or less the ATB standard. 
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carbonazza

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...I would not go for Carbon wheels...


How it compares to MTB wheels? I have them all in carbon, and ride in harsher conditions than I plan to ride with my Carbonda.

Is it by the thinner tyres?

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SteeleWheels

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While I am still waiting on my frame Adam sent me a picture. I'm hoping the silver is more metallic looking in the flesh. silverbalckframe.jpg 
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carbonazza

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... I'm hoping the silver is more metallic looking in the flesh... 


As lead can hardly become gold. Carbon can't become silver either [biggrin]

No worries. It will look great !

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SteeleWheels

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As lead can hardly become gold. Carbon can't become silver either [biggrin]

No worries. It will look great !



Thanks man! Do you have yours put together yet?
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While I am still waiting on my frame Adam sent me a picture. I'm hoping the silver is more metallic looking in the flesh. silverbalckframe.jpg 


So like 7 weeks and still waiting? Looks great!
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SteeleWheels

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So like 7 weeks and still waiting? Looks great!


Yes, and it's been sitting in China preparing for shipment since January 3rd.
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RiderAWE

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Its not correct. My Carbonda has both front and rear 12mm TA.
Before ordering you can choose between 12mm or 15mm TA forks.

the 12mm is more or less the road wheel standard, and the 15mm more or less the ATB standard. 


You need to explicitly ask for having 12mm TA's - I did not pay attention (I was not even aware of different sizes to be quite honest - this is my first bike with TA's)  to this and than you get 15mm front/12mm rear.

My point was that it is good to pay attention to the size of the TA's and indeed good point as well that you can chose the size in your frame if you ask - you might want to chose 12mm as front size as most wheels are that size.

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[vbzcN9Q8Ug8] 

My frame is in orange/army green combo.


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carbonazza

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It is built !

[EINjt3M]

[LLeiMgG]

[UI17ghA]

From a quick tour around the block, the first impressions are great.
Feels light, stiff, agile to turn and I love its ultra-flashy look compared to my other black bikes ;D

Some doubts or issue I had during the build:
  • Straight pull hubs & spokes
    I thought the hubs were two cross, while they were 3 cross. 
    The ERD was 593mm instead of the 590 announced, that would have made a difference too.
    So I had to return and reorder a set of spokes. 
    They were the easiest wheels I ever built. 
    And the lightest at 1218g(Ultralight 29er rims from Peter, CX-Ray spokes, SAPIM alloy nipples, and Novatec hubs D411CB/D412CB.
    The rear hub freewheel is dead silent ! And without a front derailleur, this is a very silent bike. Will need a bell !
     
  • Tires:
    One of the most complex choice to me was about the tires for a gravel. 
    There doesn't seem to be a best solution. 
    Either you want to ride more on hard or soft terrain, and need appropriate tires.
    So in the end I took them light and mixed. The Maxxis Rambler 40mm.
    They were surprisingly easy to setup tubeless on the internal 19.6mm rims. 
    Mount. Inflate with the compressor. Pop/Pop. Done.
     
  • The axles
    I ordered a pair of Hardlite axles on ebay.As another Carbonda owner did( although poorly detailed ).
    They looked good but in fact were not compatible.
    The front 15x100 was an MTB one. Road ones are shorter, 125mm long axle. 
    So I took a ROCK SHOX Maxle Stealth 15x100 with 1.5mm pitch.
    The rear drive dropout is not threaded, but need a nut, like the DT Swiss E-thru axle. 
    I have a temp solution for now, but will find a M12x1.5mm nut somewhere to put on the Hardlite rear.
     
  • SRAM Red Etap:
    Using etap without front derailleur, is not a problem.
    11x36 cassette(CX1 Cassette PG-1170) with the wifli version of the rear derailleur is not an issue either. The capacity of the derailleur is 28T.
    The conversion of my two ring crank(with hidden bolt) to a single CX1 chainring went without issue. 
    The Titanium bolts are from Ali. And used the hidden screw that came with the ring. The 2mm washers were useless.
    I rotate with 3 chains,  the SRAM PC-1170
     
  • Brakes:
    I didn't have the bleeding edge tool to bleed the brakes(damn SRAM to add yet another nozzle).
    So, I was extra careful when cutting the brake hose and route them through the frame.
    And not add air to the system.
    Setting the lever to have the nut vertical and adding some DOT liquid in it before remounting everything.
    It worked.
    The internal routing was very easy. A white tube was there in the frame to guide the rear hose. And there are holes in the fork for the front.
    Unfortunately I cut the front hose a tad to short( my first road bike bar... ), it is quite ok but sad.
    I was scared by taping the bar too, but it went well. I hesitated a long time between black and the yellow, but returned the black.
    And I didn't receive the brake disc from Ali yet, so I've temporarily put some used ones I had.
     
  • Design blues
    Just for the aesthetics. When I see now all these useless black holes and screw, I could have ordered the frame without them. I saw later it was possible. 
    Carbonda provide a set a various plugs/end caps but they didn't think as minimalistic as this build. No plug at the rear derailleur exit cable. No second rubber plug for the right shifter hose entry.
    Not sure I will ever use mudguards. And I replaced all screws with vinyl ones for now.

For the ones who care about this: it weights just over 7.4kg as it is on the pictures, and feels very light when holding it and riding it  :D
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ashOfIce

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Reply with quote  #445 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carbonazza
It is built !

[EINjt3M]

[LLeiMgG]

[UI17ghA]

From a quick tour around the block, the first impressions are great.
Feels light, stiff, agile to turn and I love its ultra-flashy look compared to my other black bikes ;D

Some doubts or issue I had during the build:
  • Straight pull hubs & spokes
    I thought the hubs were two cross, while they were 3 cross. 
    The ERD was 593mm instead of the 590 announced, that would have made a difference too.
    So I had to return and reorder a set of spokes. 
    They were the easiest wheels I ever built. 
    And the lightest at 1218g(Ultralight 29er rims from Peter, CX-Ray spokes, SAPIM alloy nipples, and Novatec hubs D411CB/D412CB.
    The rear hub freewheel is dead silent ! And without a front derailleur, this is a very silent bike. Will need a bell !
     
  • Tires:
    One of the most complex choice to me was about the tires for a gravel. 
    There doesn't seem to be a best solution. 
    Either you want to ride more on hard or soft terrain, and need appropriate tires.
    So in the end I took them light and mixed. The Maxxis Rambler 40mm.
    They were surprisingly easy to setup tubeless on the internal 19.6mm rims. 
    Mount. Inflate with the compressor. Pop/Pop. Done.
     
  • The axles
    I ordered a pair of Hardlite axles on ebay.As another Carbonda owner did( although poorly detailed ).
    They looked good but in fact were not compatible.
    The front 15x100 was an MTB one. Road ones are shorter, 125mm long axle. 
    So I took a ROCK SHOX Maxle Stealth 15x100 with 1.5mm pitch.
    The rear drive dropout is not threaded, but need a nut, like the DT Swiss E-thru axle. 
    I have a temp solution for now, but will find a M12x1.5mm nut somewhere to put on the Hardlite rear.
     
  • SRAM Red Etap:
    Using etap without front derailleur, is not a problem.
    11x36 cassette(CX1 Cassette PG-1170) with the wifli version of the rear derailleur is not an issue either. The capacity of the derailleur is 28T.
    The conversion of my two ring crank(with hidden bolt) to a single CX1 chainring went without issue. 
    The Titanium bolts are from Ali. And used the hidden screw that came with the ring. The 2mm washers were useless.
    I rotate with 3 chains,  the SRAM PC-1170
     
  • Brakes:
    I didn't have the bleeding edge tool to bleed the brakes(damn SRAM to add yet another nozzle).
    So, I was extra careful when cutting the brake hose and route them through the frame.
    And not add air to the system.
    Setting the lever to have the nut vertical and adding some DOT liquid in it before remounting everything.
    It worked.
    The internal routing was very easy. A white tube was there in the frame to guide the rear hose. And there are holes in the fork for the front.
    Unfortunately I cut the front hose a tad to short( my first road bike bar... ), it is quite ok but sad.
    I was scared by taping the bar too, but it went well. I hesitated a long time between black and the yellow, but returned the black.
    And I didn't receive the brake disc from Ali yet, so I've temporarily put some used ones I had.
     
  • Design blues
    Just for the aesthetics. When I see now all these useless black holes and screw, I could have ordered the frame without them. I saw later it was possible. 
    Carbonda provide a set a various plugs/end caps but they didn't think as minimalistic as this build. No plug at the rear derailleur exit cable. No second rubber plug for the right shifter hose entry.
    Not sure I will ever use mudguards. And I replaced all screws with vinyl ones for now.

For the ones who care about this: it weights just over 7.4kg as it is on the pictures, and feels very light when holding it and riding it  :D


Looks amazing! Nice to see a high end build of this frame [thumb]
Are the bars from Carbonda as well?
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bikoyski

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My first foray into gravel bikes.

I'll be ordering a WCB-R-146 from Workswell. May I know if going for a BSA BB, will I be limited on what crankset I can use?

My MTBs have always been BSAs. What BB did you guys go for?
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carbonazza

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Looks amazing! Nice to see a high end build of this frame [thumb]
Are the bars from Carbonda as well?


Thanks !

Yes the bars are their CHB002 model. The seatpost too.

I would have preferred to try cyclocross bars, just by curiosity but they didn't have any.

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Thanks !

Yes the bars are their CHB002 model. The seatpost too.

I would have preferred to try cyclocross bars, just by curiosity but they didn't have any.



Looks awesome and great initial impression write up!

Any worries about the extra light rims on gravel?

And what saddle is that?
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carbonazza

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Looks awesome and great initial impression write up! Any worries about the extra light rims on gravel? And what saddle is that?


For the terrains I plan to ride on. I'm not that worried, no.
I ride the exact same rims on my 29er. And they look beefier than the carbon rims on my road bike.
The differences are the tires: 2.1" on my MTB at 1.4bar(20psi) against 40mm at maybe 3-4bar(40-60psi, I still need to test).
And 28 spokes instead of 32 on my MTB. I didn't interlace the spokes this time, the angles were ok to leave enough room for the brake calipers and derailleur. So I took that risk, they ring like guitar strings !

Another reason could be weight. I'm around 66kg( 145lbs ).
I'm comforting myself thinking all carbon parts of my bikes are probably oversized for me, and have some room for abuses.

But I'm new to gravel, so we'll see. Are you worried by carbon rims ?

The saddle is a Gub model 1156, you can find it on Aliexpress for $45-$60 depending the seller and period of the year.
I was riding the same saddle shape before, but bare carbon.
The thin padding of the Gub makes a noticeable difference. 

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themac11

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Bought my frame today 😃
Colors are:
RAL 3026 Luminous bright red matt ( it is a glow/neon color)
RAL 9005 Jet black matt
Designvorschlag.jpg 

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