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Konass
That is great pricing. I would buy today if it had a more traditional bar, or at least the option for one. Not saying that the hover bar is a complete deal breaker, but have to see how this shakes out.
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chas
frontrangegravel wrote:
Chas,
For what it's worth, that Redshift stem has brought out some of the most positive feedback from readers and listeners we've seen. Admittedly, I was surprised to see that so many people liked it. But it was enough feedback that I can't really dismiss it as just hype. 



Agreed.  I don't think any of the solutions in my list are hype, just lots of ways to address the issue.

my wrists got beat up riding gravel on my road bike back in the day.    These days tubless 40mm tires at the right pressure take care of my needs (and double wrap tape).

I'll edit my post to make it clear the "double wrap tape" comment was specific to the canyon bar only.
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Xiatian
widerisfaster wrote:

"An Aluminium version with a standard cockpit is slated for release later."

Sure hope it will not have a Lefty fork if it's slated.
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widerisfaster
SamSam wrote:
Some sources state the aluminium version is due later this year, while other sources claim it will be released in 2019

I think the alloy frame and non hoverbar models will come as a 2019 model year. That will probably mean they become available between July and September 2018. 

Let's hope they release a CF frame with a standard bar for the 2019 model year too. 
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Flydyl
Seems like a nice bike for true gravel, though I appreciate the concerns above: if it's windy and/or you're trying to make speed, you lose the hover bar's advantages.  

For me, more of a monster-cross rider, I need brake levers up top for when I'm in single track, and I don't think these bars will accommodate in-line levers.  

Found this review to be helpful and thoughtful:

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chas
One of the biggest problems in the US, as the bikes are sold specced as is.  Something simple like changing the stem length on the handlebars with their integrated handlebars will cost $400 (i.e. the cost of a new bar/stem combo).  

In Europe you can swap out seat posts, handlebars and similar with no problem.  Not in the US.  In Europe there are discounts for racers, or purchase of multiple bikes, etc.  Not in the US.  Its pretty basic service - maybe that will improve in the future?
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GOTA
I find it strange that a bike with such a radical front end would not be available for a test ride.  You have to take a leap of faith and hope that it fits.  If I was using the direct market concept I would make something more conventional that experienced riders could at least try to figure out from pictures, geometry charts and reviews.  Asking for $3,000 for something very different than any bike that the buyer has ridden before with no way to get seat time in advance seems like a very difficult sell.  
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chas

It is a hard sell, although there is a 30 day money back guarantee (if the bike is in new and unused condition).

its a little easier in Europe with the ability to swap out parts or customize the build a little. There are even discounts for people who race. Not much of that in the US.

For instance, if you fall between sizes and need a shorter/longer handlebar stem, you'll have to fork over an additional $400 for the integrated carbon handlebars/stem. (makes a case for not getting the fancy stem/handlebar combo).

They are amazing bikes, but it has to be just right for you.

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TaTaToothy
Don't they sell through dealers in Europe?  I certainly agree it's a bit of a tough sale to ask people to buy such a unique design without even seeing it in person, much less riding it, but they do have a good return policy and pricing. Still probably riskier than I'd be comfortable with though.
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Xiatian
TaTaToothy wrote:
Don't they sell through dealers in Europe?

For Canyon it is direct sales only, full stop.
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chas
They do have a showroom in Koblenz.  I thought I read there was one in California?  Maybe not.  In Koblenz, you can test ride a bike, find your favorite model and take your boxed bike home with you.
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chas
Best gravel bike ever?

This is about as strong a review I have ever seen.  I have to say, I agree with it in my experience.  My Canyon puts a smile on my face ever ride, and makes me want to ride more (and has destroyed lots of my PRs and KOMs on my ride).

Review: Canyon Grail CF SL 8.0 SL | road.cc

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It's a product of great engineering, not just the frameset but the Canyon components too. It's been designed as a complete package – you can call them gimmicks if you like, but wow, they all add up to an awesome ride.

The Grail is fast, smooth, comfortable, light and has great handling, but above all else it's masses and masses of fun.


This article does a great job of articulating the riding experience of my Inflite (given that the Grail is endurance oriented and my Inflite is race oriented).

I have to say, most gravel bikes that I have ridden are rather boring. But the inflite at least (and apparently the Grail too) put a huge smile on my face and make me want to go ride more. I've ridden no other bike that is that smooth and yet accelerates so fast.


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Magnum Rotae
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But the review covers only the Grail, not the Inflite. It makes only 1 passing comment on the Inflite, referring to it as 'racy' compared to the grail.



Any word on the release of the Grail aluminum frame? I understand it'll have a standard handlebar (rather than that double-decker thingy).
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chas
Any reason why you don't want the AL Inflite?  Its a lot more conservative than the carbon race bike, and is basically their do anything commuter bike (you can even configure it with fenders (in EU at least)).  
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Magnum Rotae
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Indeed -- the Inflite (both carbon and AL model) is near the top of my list, but would be interested in the specs of the AL Grail before I decide.
(I also will want a 2x drivetrain; hopefully in the US we'll be able to opt for the 2x crank on the Inflite as well)
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chas

SamSam, your wish has been granted.  (and 7rider, spandy24, Jim_H, Konass, Magnum Rotae)  The AL bike (more normal looking) is out now

SamSam wrote:
I don't like the fact that stack and reach is not as easily adjustable as on normal bikes. Can't just swap out stems to get the bars closer, further, higher or lower. That is a deal breaker for me. Hope they will release aluminum models with normal cockpit configuration. But I doubt it. And when they do, it might take another while

SamSam – are they too late?

 

Magnum Rotae wrote:
. Any word on the release of the Grail aluminum frame? I understand it'll have a standard handlebar (rather than that double-decker thingy).

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sweetspot
chas wrote:
Best gravel bike ever?

This is about as strong a review I have ever seen.  I have to say, I agree with it in my experience.  My Canyon puts a smile on my face ever ride, and makes me want to ride more (and has destroyed lots of my PRs and KOMs on my ride).

Review: Canyon Grail CF SL 8.0 SL | road.cc



This article does a great job of articulating the riding experience of my Inflite (given that the Grail is endurance oriented and my Inflite is race oriented).

I have to say, most gravel bikes that I have ridden are rather boring. But the inflite at least (and apparently the Grail too) put a huge smile on my face and make me want to go ride more. I've ridden no other bike that is that smooth and yet accelerates so fast.



Do you think that front and especially rear will take WTB riddler 45c tire? Or 42c is already a very tight match? If you could post a picture showing the space between chainstay and current tire, it would be awesome!
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chas

I have an Inflite, but I’m thinking the grail is pretty similar.

I put a 54mm Thunder Burt on the front.  Its pretty snug, but I don’t get any rub (if everything is perfect!).  I downsized to a 50mm Furious Fred.  I think the tire is more like 45mm, but if fits fine.

On the rear – 38mm is ok, 40mm is pushing it.   There is actually less clearance on the drive side chainstay.  I ended up dishing my rear wheel a little to get extra clearance there with a 40mm. 

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