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jazzymusicman

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So I'm curious what the pedal clearance is at the 3 o'clock position. I just ordered one but I'm worried my desire of doing some not too gnarly xc trails won't be possible with the low bottom bracket
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We just built a comprehensive guide to all three of Trek's Gravel Bikes Lineup as we hadn't read a lot of great content that compared the Checkpoint, Domane, and Boone.  

We'd love to improve the article over time, so if you see anything we can improve, please let me know!

http://bit.ly/2pqAdVo
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We just built a comprehensive guide to all three of Trek's Gravel Bikes Lineup as we hadn't read a lot of great content that compared the Checkpoint, Domane, and Boone.  

We'd love to improve the article over time, so if you see anything we can improve, please let me know!

http://bit.ly/2pqAdVo


My first suggestion is a comparison table.  You have TONS of text on the page and the simple question most people want asnwered is "Which one is right for me?".

As an engineer type (I know...) a simple table with relevant data is a quick way to see the differences. 

List the 3 main bikes across the top (Checkpoint / Boone / Crockett / Domane Gravel / Domane), the list the data fields down the side.  Field ideas:

Stock Tire Size:
Max Tire Size:

Front IsoSpeed:
Rear IsoSpeed:

Max Gear:
Min Gear:

Bottle Mounts:
Rack Mounts:
Fender Mounts:

And any others you think are relevant.  Those are the quick ones I could think of right now.
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I agree with Chader a comparison table is what I would want too. The info now just looks like it is pulled straight off of treks site.
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I agree with Chader a comparison table is what I would want too. The info now just looks like it is pulled straight off of treks site.

The info is directly from Trek's Dexter site and their FAQ docs supplied to dealers.

Good info, but wordy and should be reduced to a more fruitful summary rather than a full data dump.

KISS... keep it simple, stupid.
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I’m impressed with the amount of detail you poured into this summary. I own a Domane, and I’ve witnessed Trek roll out a handful of models as “gravel bikes” over the past couple of years to appeal to a growing market, and your site offered the best comparison off all three options in one place to date.
A table would appeal to certain consumers who are more data driven, but I gained a lot from your comparison.
One suggestion: Include a rider profile to generally capture each model’s ideal market. For example, “If you want to line up at the start line of Land Run 100 or Dirty Kanza and race for a podium spot, Checkpoint is the right bike for you.”
“If you like a smooth ride that can tag along a group ride, complete a century ride in comfort, or dabble off the pavement, Domane is for you.” Etc.

All in all, excellent job summarizing the different options.
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So, interesting thing that I've figured out. I snagged a set of Bontrager Paradigm Elite wheels for my Checkpoint ALR 4 and installed the 12mm thru axle end caps to convert from QR. All seemed to be going well until I went to install the rotor/lock ring that came with the bike on the new wheels. Here's what happened:

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The end cap on the front wheel flares out at the bottom so I couldn't get a cassette lockring tool to fit over it. So no way to torque to 40nm. It just wouldn't go in far enough (that's what she said). Anyway, dumb jokes aside, I tried a larger DT Swiss style lockring:

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No go. Wouldn't clear the fork. Where the bolt that holds the flat mount caliper enters the fork, the fork bulges out slightly. So there is a rub....

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I contacted Trek directly and was advised to use a Park Tool FR style tool, but unfortunately, I had and it just doesn't work. So, I got creative and shaved down the larger lock ring:

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And behold, here is the clearance:

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It's close, but it works. Just barely. So here's the lesson I have learned: Aeolus 3, Paradigm Elite, and Affinity Pro wheels will not fit this bike properly without this alteration. It's less than convenient, but it works. Hopefully this might be useful to someone else out there.


 


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that one looks good with the bontrager rims, tan walls and a pm
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So I'm curious what the pedal clearance is at the 3 o'clock position. I just ordered one but I'm worried my desire of doing some not too gnarly xc trails won't be possible with the low bottom bracket


rode some fairly good xc the other day with no issues on a 54.
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jazzymusicman

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rode some fairly good xc the other day with no issues on a 54.


awesome! i guess the limiter will be my crappy mtb skills and not the bike. my 56 comes in tomorrow =)
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So, interesting thing that I've figured out. I snagged a set of Bontrager Paradigm Elite wheels for my Checkpoint ALR 4 and installed the 12mm thru axle end caps to convert from QR. All seemed to be going well until I went to install the rotor/lock ring that came with the bike on the new wheels. Here's what happened:

It's close, but it works. Just barely. So here's the lesson I have learned: Aeolus 3, Paradigm Elite, and Affinity Pro wheels will not fit this bike properly without this alteration. It's less than convenient, but it works. Hopefully this might be useful to someone else out there.



Wow, that's a great fix but not a great situation to be in.  It sucks that those are Bontrager wheels and they can't be properly fitted into the Checkpoint fork.  I am not that familiar with Trek/Bontrager, but will this affect other manufacturers as well?  One of the reasons I've been sticking with DT swiss hubs for all my builds is the ability to swap caps and lockrings to fit basically any dropout standard.

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Wow, that's a great fix but not a great situation to be in.  It sucks that those are Bontrager wheels and they can't be properly fitted into the Checkpoint fork.  I am not that familiar with Trek/Bontrager, but will this affect other manufacturers as well?  One of the reasons I've been sticking with DT swiss hubs for all my builds is the ability to swap caps and lockrings to fit basically any dropout standard.


The issue above is related to the 2 different options of Lock Rings on the Shimano Centerlock rotors.
See the "Attaching the centerlock rotors" section and how it generally relates to axle diameter.
https://www.boydcycling.com/disc-brake-faq/

Since the Checkpoint is 12mm front axle, we should use the smaller cap, that will avoid the issue entirely.  Much easier fix compared to the grind job above.
Note: See the "15/20 Thru axle only" text on the lock ring in the pic, which clearly indicates an incorrect use of that part in the case above.

The Bontragers also offer all three end cap types to fit QR, 12mm or 15mm as needed, so they are great wheels and very adaptable.  The core issue here is the lock ring, not the wheels.
Also note that because this is directly related to the Shimano Centerlock discs, ANY wheel would have the same issue.  So DT would not sidestep this either, assuming they are Centerlock and not 6-bolt mount.
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The issue above is related to the 2 different options of Lock Rings on the Shimano Centerlock rotors.
See the "Attaching the centerlock rotors" section and how it generally relates to axle diameter.
https://www.boydcycling.com/disc-brake-faq/

Note: see the clear "15/20 Thru axle only" text on the lock ring in the pic, which indicates an incorrect use of that part in the case above.

Since the Checkpoint is 12mm front axle, we should use the smaller cap, that will avoid the issue entirely.  Much easier fix compared to the grind job above.

The Bontragers also offer all three end cap types to fit QR, 12mm or 15mm as needed, so they are great wheels.

Also note that because this is directly related to the Shimano Centerlock discs, ANY wheel would have the same issue.  So DT would not sidestep this either, assuming they are Centerlock and not 6-bolt mount.


Ahhh, I did not realize that the Checkpoint was 12mm TA front.  I am not sure what the difference is between the first lockring he tried (that bottomed out) and the one listed in the Boyd link.  Especially if the correct endcaps were used.
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Ahhh, I did not realize that the Checkpoint was 12mm TA front.  I am not sure what the difference is between the first lockring he tried (that bottomed out) and the one listed in the Boyd link.  Especially if the correct endcaps were used.

The real difference is that the QR/12mm compatible one installs roughly "inside" the hub and won't stick out at the same height and thickness as the 15/20mm compatible one.

See how flush the small one looks when installed.
https://goo.gl/images/Y8ai95
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The real difference is that the QR/12mm compatible one installs roughly "inside" the hub and won't stick out at the same height and thickness as the 15/20mm compatible one.

See how flush the small one looks when installed.
https://goo.gl/images/Y8ai95


OK, I get that, but look at the first picture he posted.  He tried the QR/12mm lockring and it bottomed out before it made contact with the rotor.  What's the deal with that?
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OK, I get that, but look at the first picture he posted.  He tried the QR/12mm lockring and it bottomed out before it made contact with the rotor.  What's the deal with that?

OHHHH, I see now.  No idea why that's a problem with the proper sized caps.  That is not supposed to happen, AFAIK.

Edit:  Is it possible to install the rotor and lock ring first, then install the end caps?
I am guessing not, but could be worth a test to see.
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Long live cantilevers 😜
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OHHHH, I see now.  No idea why that's a problem with the proper sized caps.  That is not supposed to happen, AFAIK.

Edit:  Is it possible to install the rotor and lock ring first, then install the end caps?
I am guessing not, but could be worth a test to see.


Yeah, trust me, I tried everything. It seems like it's just the specific end caps for these 3 wheels. And the real pisser is, you can't use any other end caps.

It's fixable, just strange IMHO. And btw, you clhave to hand file that larger diameter lock ring, unless you're super talented with a grinder.
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Yeah, trust me, I tried everything. It seems like it's just the specific end caps for these 3 wheels. And the real pisser is, you can't use any other end caps. It's fixable, just strange IMHO. And btw, you clhave to hand file that larger diameter lock ring, unless you're super talented with a grinder.


It might need to be re-torqued more often, but is there any chance that adding spacers or shims to the rotor/locknut would help the threads bite?  I guess it's kind of a moot point since you already filed the larger lockring, but it was the only thing I thought of that hasn't already been mentioned.
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So something we discovered at the bike shop when mounting 45c WTB Riddlers is that to accommodate them and allow clearance for the front derailleur arm, we had to move the strangle hold mounts almost all the way back. Not exactly thrilled but whatever. This is on an ALR 4
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It might need to be re-torqued more often, but is there any chance that adding spacers or shims to the rotor/locknut would help the threads bite?  I guess it's kind of a moot point since you already filed the larger lockring, but it was the only thing I thought of that hasn't already been mentioned.


I had the same thing happen today with a Domane ALR. I installed some Paradigm Elite wheels with the oversized lockring and it's hitting in the same spot on the fork brake caliper mount. The normal cassette lockring bottoms out with the tool and is tough to install. I managed to secure the rotor with the small lockring but it's disappointing that Trek sends the oversized lockring with the wheels and it doesn't work with two of their bike models.
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I had the same thing happen today with a Domane ALR. I installed some Paradigm Elite wheels with the oversized lockring and it's hitting in the same spot on the fork brake caliper mount. The normal cassette lockring bottoms out with the tool and is tough to install. I managed to secure the rotor with the small lockring but it's disappointing that Trek sends the oversized lockring with the wheels and it doesn't work with two of their bike models.


Found a better fix. The lockring included with a Shimano 6-bolt adapter.

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When I put my Emonda SLR Disc together, I had to add a chamfer to the edges of the HB20 lockring too. The original axle on my White Industries CLD front hub isn’t compatible with Shimano’s 9mm/12mm lockring. Eventually I requested a special axle from WI with the endcap machined down to a smaller diameter just so I could fit the cassette lockring tool.
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Had a chance to put my SL6 through its paces at the Cascadia Super G gravel race. Great day, and a few part swap outs helped a lot. A 17 degree stem made for a much more comfortable ride, and a SRAM PG 1170, 11-36T cassette made all the difference on some long, and often steep, climbs. I noticed quite few guys with without the big rear cassette were cooked after the first climb. I also put on a new set of bars that are a little more comfortable for me. Pretty happy overall, but I think a front IsoSpeed would take this bike from good to great.

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The biggest issue with the lockrings is the old Park and other brands tools were really thick. The newer ones work better because the tool walls are thinner. I hear there is a newer end cap coming from DT with more clearance too. 
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