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Sideways8

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Your comments about the CG-R are interesting.  My experience is totally different, and I’m wondering why.  I can hardly tell mine is on there.  It does take some of the harshness out of my aluminum frame, but it does not absorb shock. 

 I have a Thudbuster ST, and it is wonderful on gravel (although it requires a smooth cadence at high RPM – which isn’t a problem for me).  My Thudbuster seems a lot like your description of the CG-R, with the addition that it can take a bigger impact.  It is great on rough roads, washboard, or single track.

My CG-R is a disappointment.  It does very little to change the ride.  I can not get the horizontal V section elastomer to flex, as it flexes in the original CG-R release video.  Looking at other CG-Rs at the shop, I can get no visible flex in the seat post V.  It is a well damped light seat post – it absorbs vibration, but not a shock that I would get from a rough road.   Mine does not bounce at all, even at high speed high RPM pacelines rides.  It does make my stiff aluminum bike ride more like a carbon bike though (i.e. absorbs chatter and harshness from small vibrations, but not impact from bumps).

I tend to ride the thudbuster on gravel rides, and the CG-R on fast road rides.

I’m wondering why your experience is different?  Once difference is that I have horizontal top tubes, meaning that I have relatively little seat post exposed.  Specialized tends to have a lot of seat post exposed when they spec this on a bike (like yours).  Maybe that is the difference between your and my experience?  That the seat post flexes a lot more when more of it is exposed?



My seat post measures 9" from the collar to the top of the post. I cannot in any way confirm this, but during my gravel bike search, I read somewhere that Specialized had quietly updated that seat post to make it more compliant. I don't remember where I read it and have no idea if it's true, but mine is super compliant. In fact, running the tires at the same pressure, I find the back of the bike softer than the front... even with the Future Shock. 

Update: I've put just shy of 200 miles on the bike, now. About 75% has been on gravel. I've had the 2 vertical bolts in the Future Shock, rattle loose during 3 different rides. I believe a little more Loctite will be in order. There is a lot of very large thick gravel around here that just rattles everything so I don't think (hope) there is a cause for concern.

I've swapped the 105 for Ultegra shifters and brakes, on my journey to lighten the bike up, but honestly both are great. Haven't gotten to the derailleurs but will as time and motivation allows. I'm definitely going to move to a larger cassette. I've found that the 32 isn't enough for me. I'm thinking a Sram 11/36.

I still find myself amazed at how stable it is. 20170910_210802.jpg  Between the comfort and stability, I really like that bike.

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My seat post measures 9" from the collar to the top of the post. I cannot in any way confirm this, but during my gravel bike search, I read somewhere that Specialized had quietly updated that seat post to make it more compliant. I don't remember where I read it and have no idea if it's true, but mine is super compliant. In fact, running the tires at the same pressure, I find the back of the bike softer than the front... even with the Future Shock. 


Thanks.  I see they have made it a bit more obvious what the maximum insertion depth is (minimum exposed seat post).  Can you see the "V" flexing at all on your bike?
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I've had my Expert for almost 3 weeks now. Love it. It's a bit heavier than my old Roubaix SL2. I've ridden it on all kinds of surfaces. Single track, gravel, road, dirt. It's a do everything bike. The only issue is having to clean it after every ride because of where I take it to. File Sep 11, 9 55 18 PM.jpeg 
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Sideways8

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Thanks.  I see they have made it a bit more obvious what the maximum insertion depth is (minimum exposed seat post).  Can you see the "V" flexing at all on your bike?


I can see both the post and the "V" flex. When just pushing the seat with my hand, I see more post movement but while sitting, even with an awkward angle, I can see the "V" compressing some. What's interesting is that when I was testing it, I noticed that the entire seat tube flexed quite a bit. I could see a slight bit of movement at the derailleur, too. But the post definitely flexes. Maybe all seat posts flex more in the 2018 Diverge, due to the seat tube design. Who knows.

I recorded a quick very unscientific video of the flex with just hand pressure. You can't see the "V" flexing much from that angle but it definitely does.



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I've had my Expert for almost 3 weeks now. Love it. It's a bit heavier than my old Roubaix SL2. I've ridden it on all kinds of surfaces. Single track, gravel, road, dirt. It's a do everything bike. The only issue is having to clean it after every ride because of where I take it to.


I have the green version of the Expert and have only taken it on a handful of rides.  I also spend a LOT of time cleaning my bikes between my Sequoia and Diverge based on the terrain I ride as well.  :-) 


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I am in process of ordering a custom Gunnar because I want a lighter bike, miss the feel of steel and canti brakes.

My Diverge is for sale as a frameset+wheels. PM me.
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I am looking for a real weight of a carbon Comp/Expert frameset with a future shock. Does anyone have any numbers? 
 
I have already found following info:
 
Comp
Frame: no data available :/
Complete bike in 56 size (woman model): 21.01 lbs (9.5 kg) w/o cages and SWAT
Complete bike in 54 size (man model): 20.33 lbs (9.22 kg) w/o cages and SWAT

S-Works
Frame: 880g (in 56)
Complete bike in 56 size weights 18.52 lbs (8.4 kg) with two bottle cages and a full SWAT
SWAT: 432g (full)/162g (empty)
Cage (Spec's ones): less than 20g each
So net weight for S-Works is less than 8 kg

Future Shock
200g (according to Road CC)
295g (according to RoadcyclingUK)
 
Fork
no data available :/
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KeithC

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My expert with two bottle cages, empty swat box, and tubeless setup is 20.5 pounds.
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I received my S-Works Diverge in September.  So far, I've been able to take it on a few gravel rides to the Martinsville, IN area near me. Nice route with some gravel and old unkept roads as well as some hills.  The ride is great, love bombing down the descents on some of these gravel roads!  Front shock takes a little of the bite out of the road conditions and I don't think it is an issue even on the steep >15% climbs.   Only a few hundred on it so far, but very pleased with the bike! 


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I am looking for a real weight of a carbon Comp/Expert frameset with a future shock. Does anyone have any numbers? 
 
I have already found following info:
 
Comp
Frame: no data available :/
Complete bike in 56 size (woman model): 21.01 lbs (9.5 kg) w/o cages and SWAT
Complete bike in 54 size (man model): 20.33 lbs (9.22 kg) w/o cages and SWAT

S-Works
Frame: 880g (in 56)
Complete bike in 56 size weights 18.52 lbs (8.4 kg) with two bottle cages and a full SWAT
SWAT: 432g (full)/162g (empty)
Cage (Spec's ones): less than 20g each
So net weight for S-Works is less than 8 kg

Future Shock
200g (according to Road CC)
295g (according to RoadcyclingUK)
 
Fork
no data available :/


eh, dunno about all those.

My Diverge Expert 56mm without fenders, pedals, or bottle cages was 19 lbs 11 ounces with the SWAT box installed

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ayapias

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I'm wondering what the tire clearances are like with the max tire size? 42mm in 700c. Is there much room left should it get muddy? Do the trigger pro's get tight when there is mud? I dont want to damage the seat stays.
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Good amount of room with the Trigger's x 38's . I have gone with 2 set ups, 1. 650b rims with Terrene x 47's and still good and roomy. 2, Have change the 700x38's to a 700x40 Flintridge Pro tire and still ample clearance and good durabilty on both tires.
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Good amount of room with the Trigger's x 38's . I have gone with 2 set ups, 1. 650b rims with Terrene x 47's and still good and roomy. 2, Have change the 700x38's to a 700x40 Flintridge Pro tire and still ample clearance and good durabilty on both tires.


Awesome thank you. I keep going back and forth between the Diverge and Crux. The diverge is more versatile but I feared clearance issues. The crux is more racy but I wanted the versatility that the diverge offers. I want to do gravel races and I'm torn between the two, thoughts?
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Awesome thank you. I keep going back and forth between the Diverge and Crux. The diverge is more versatile but I feared clearance issues. The crux is more racy but I wanted the versatility that the diverge offers. I want to do gravel races and I'm torn between the two, thoughts?

Longer gravel races I'd go with the Diverge. A Crux "technically" only needs clearance for 700x33 tires (UCI Cyclocross standard).  It's also a more race oriented geometry.  I've got both a 2018 Diverge and the 2017 Sequoia.  I was able to fit my 700x43 Gravel King SK's from the Sequoia wheelset on to the Diverge.  It fits, but I wouldn't say there's much room for mud.  

I love the larger tire size, but a tubeless 700x38 mounted Trigger, Gravel King SK, or similar will afford you plenty of comfort on the gravel.  Also, IMHO the Future Shock is a game changer on washboard, chunky gravel, etc. 

Crux is a great bike, but it's not aimed at the gravel market.  It's a cyclocross specific rig.

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I'm wondering what the tire clearances are like with the max tire size? 42mm in 700c. Is there much room left should it get muddy? Do the trigger pro's get tight when there is mud? I dont want to damage the seat stays.


I would say the clearance is only adequate with the stock 38c tires. A 6mm allen wrench doesn't fit between the tire and chain stays, and just barely fits between the fork and tire, for instance. I can't imagine a 42c or larger fits with safe clearance on the Diverge but "safe" is up to the individual, I guess.
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I've got both a 2018 Diverge and the 2017 Sequoia.  I was able to fit my 700x43 Gravel King SK's from the Sequoia wheelset on to the Diverge.  It fits, but I wouldn't say there's much room for mud.  


wat?  you fit 700x43 SKs on the Diverge?
I have a 2018 Diverge Expert and a 2017 Sequoia.

I have a set of 42c Sawtooths on the Sequoia with I9 Trail (internal 24.5mm) wheelset.  Adequate clearance.  On a set of 22mm internal Roval Control SLs, I can fit 45c tires comfortably

On the 2018 Expert, I have a set of 38c GravelKing SKs on the Roval SLX24 wheels (internal 20mm) which measure out to a hair under 40c, with a "comfortable" amount of room for gravel and crud
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hi all, 

30 yo male here, 6'0 / 183cm tall, 32.5" / 82.5cm inseam. regular proportions (as in, not particularly long torso or legs). looking for a commuter bike, mostly for short and snappy rides along paths, both finished and gravel

test rode the new specialized diverge (alloy - E5 comp) some time ago in 54cm (only size at shop) and felt good but well small. tried a roubaix in 56cm (was told similar geometry) and felt much better size-wise.

managed to hunt down a size 58cm diverge today and gave it a quick spin (unfortunately couldn't ride the 56 side by side). interestingly enough, despite being 6' tall, both guys at the specialized shop eyeballed me as a 56. given they only had a 58 in stock, can't knock them for their honesty!

that aside, the 58 definitely didn't feel 'too big' as i was expecting.. the cockpit felt good but i did feel markedly more upright. certainly more than i'm used to. not sure how i feel about this. i'm no expert but i believe the geometry of the diverge is already quite relaxed (by road standards at least) so wondering if the larger size doesn't mean i'm a little too upright.

i am leaning towards the 56 but the OCD in me doesn't like the fact that for my height, i'm on the very outer range for this size.

what are my 6'0 brothers (give or take) riding? any advice is appreciated. 

edit: not sure if these are the critical dimensions but the 56 has a reach / stack of 379mm / 613mm whereas the 58 has only slightly more reach (+6mm) but a fair chunk more stack (+26mm). assuming i ride both with 110mm stem (the 56 comes with 100mm and the 58 110mm), i should feel markedly less upright on the lower frame, correct? i suppose there are other critical dimensions i am missing but this alone is making me feel more comfortable with the 56cm. thoughts?

it is worth nothing that both the reach on all sizes seems to be really small, and the stack relatively tall (by road bike standards at least). cheers

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Short answer: at 6’0”, you should be riding a 58cm+. If the 58 seems too tall up front, it’s not the wrong size, it’s the wrong bike. The Diverge has a VERY high stack height.
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I am also 6'0" tall and have a 33" cycling inseam. I ride a 56 Trek Crockett, a 56 Trek Domane Disc and a m/l Giant TCR. If the 56 feels right that is the bike for you.

It is easier making a slightly smaller bike fit than a slightly larger one.

I once made the mistake of buying a 58 because I was told at 6' 58 is what I "should" be riding.

Hated it and sold it after a year. Bought the 56 and never looked back.

 But in the end go with your gut feelings

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I've swapped the 105 for Ultegra shifters and brakes, on my journey to lighten the bike up, but honestly both are great. Haven't gotten to the derailleurs but will as time and motivation allows. I'm definitely going to move to a larger cassette. I've found that the 32 isn't enough for me. I'm thinking a Sram 11/36.
I made that swap recently after mulling over it for a long time. I hadn’t realized that the difference between their 11-speed 11-36 cassette from the 11-32 is that they merely removed the 14T cog in adding the 36T, otherwise the rest of the gearing is exactly the same. I only wish they removed the 12T instead, since mine doesn’t get really any use with a compact double up front — where I do occasionally notice the missing 14T. It doesn’t shift quite as crisply as the Shimano which is to be expected.

One thing I did notice with Shimano’s 11-34 cassette on my Domane was a tendency to jump to a smaller cog when back peddling in lower gears (even with the included spacer). I didn’t see that with the 11-32 cassette nor am I seeing that with the SRAM 11-36. As always, YMMV.
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I am also 6'0" tall and have a 33" cycling inseam. I ride a 56 Trek Crockett, a 56 Trek Domane Disc and a m/l Giant TCR. If the 56 feels right that is the bike for you.

It is easier making a slightly smaller bike fit than a slightly larger one.

I once made the mistake of buying a 58 because I was told at 6' 58 is what I "should" be riding.

Hated it and sold it after a year. Bought the 56 and never looked back.

 But in the end go with your gut feelings

JP


Similar story. I allowed myself be talked into the larger of two frame sizes based on my overall height. After finally getting a proper fit I wound up with an 80mm stem and zero-offset seatpost, which means a cramped cockpit and not enough seat rail space to mount any decently-sized seatpack.
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Similar story. I allowed myself be talked into the larger of two frame sizes based on my overall height. After finally getting a proper fit I wound up with an 80mm stem and zero-offset seatpost, which means a cramped cockpit and not enough seat rail space to mount any decently-sized seatpack.


Thanks Johnnypedals and Bike John

Was this on a Diverge, Bike John?

I'm hopefully test riding both 56 and 58cm models tomorrow for comparison. Cheers
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hi all, 

30 yo male here, 6'0 / 183cm tall, 32.5" / 82.5cm inseam. regular proportions (as in, not particularly long torso or legs). looking for a commuter bike, mostly for short and snappy rides along paths, both finished and gravel

i am leaning towards the 56 but the OCD in me doesn't like the fact that for my height, i'm on the very outer range for this size.

what are my 6'0 brothers (give or take) riding? any advice is appreciated. 


I'm 6'0" tall and am riding a 56 and love the fit.  I also have a 56 Specialized Sequoia and rode a 56 2016 Diverge Expert.  I have owned one 58 2014 Specialized Crux.  The fit of the 58 was "fine," but I just didn't feel the bigger frame was as nimble.  I really enjoy the 56, but yes at 6'0" we are on the limit of the frame size.  

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